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> Antivaxxers are an obstacle to this and should NOT be legitimized in any way agreed, but also anti-anti-vaxxers are an obstacle that sensationalize and demon
by toolz 5y ago
> Antivaxxers are an obstacle to this and should NOT be legitimized in any way
agreed, but also anti-anti-vaxxers are an obstacle that sensationalize and demonize rather than converse and educate.
> The only way out of this state of things is to take Covid19 vaccination rates as close to 100% as possible
This is incorrect. We have 200+ viruses that are endemic and likely can't be eradicated with vaccines (at least not with modern tech). Even if the vaccine was effective at preventing transmission (it isn't, if it has any benefit it's marginal and the U.S. federal government even went on record during a court hearing admitting just as much) it certainly has no hope of preventing transmission in all of the many animals that are transmitters.
> if we want to go back to a situation where we can safely prioritize other illnesses again
This is the danger I'm talking about, there is no "going back" - we should be safely prioritizing every disease at all times _especially_ during a time of mass panic. No ones fear or mass panic should determine how we approach medicine, that should be obvious to everyone, but fear kills rationality. Someones fear of covid, for example, should never take precedence over someones cancer. Being more scared of something does not merit getting priority for anything.
- toyg 5y ago> Someones fear of covid, for example, should never take precedence over someones cancer I'm sorry but I strongly disagree there, and I don't think we'll ever be able to reconcile our views in that area. With all due respect to cancer patients everywhere, civilization can survive with current rates of cancer much better than it can survive with high ratios of unchecked covid. And that determines priority. > This is incorrect. We have 200+ viruses that are endemic You are either repeating a talking point or failed to read my comment. The point of vaccination is to remove the likelihood of death and severe outcomes, turning covid into a flu, not necessarily to eradicate it. If we push vaccination rates high enough, this is achievable; but we can only do that if antivaxxers are not legitimized. Once covid really is just a flu, then we're more or less back to 2018. I hate to be "you have to choose a side", but when it comes to health issues that can dramatically affect the whole population, I get draconian. Every time you contest or argue against the vaccination effort, willingly or unwillingly you are on the side of antivaxxers.
- toolz 5y ago>I get draconian. Every time you contest or argue against the vaccination effort, willingly or unwillingly you are on the side of antivaxxers. Well, at least you're willing to admit your logical fallacies that have lead to your authoritarian opinions.