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> 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo N

> 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo Nation. Extremely high vaccination rate, with the exception of young people who didn't think they would get very sick, and they've ended up representing most of our ICU players.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
They're not just "betting all their money" but also their lives on it not being true. because they really want it to be true. And the majority win that bet, for them. But a minority losing it is still enough to fill the ICUs.
- peteradio 5y ago
  Wanna back up that 75% young people clogging up ICUs with covid? Is that what you really want to be true?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    What I "really want to be true" is irrelevant, we have to engage with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. Plans are better if they are based on reality, not on our "bet".
    - peteradio 5y ago
      Ok, so to be clear you believe that young people with their covid are clogging up ICUs at a rate of 75% occupancy, and that is based on an off-the-cuff riff from a single person and not validated statistics? Personally I think its clear that they are saying 75% people of all ages are unvaccinated in the ICU, some unmentioned percentage being "younger" i.e 60 rather than 90. That is, not 75% are young and unvaccinated. The poor precision of the sentence lends itself to be understood incorrectly and its unfortunate that un-discerning people pass along their misunderstanding.
JPKab 5y ago
The Navajo Nation has a sky-high obesity rate. As a physician there you know this. And you also know that obesity is a primary driver of hospitalization in younger people. Fry bread is poison. It's not representative of the whole. As unhealthy as most of the US population is, it's far worse on the rez. There's absolutely nothing remotely statistically significant about a four bed ICU. You can't draw conclusions about broader trends based on that.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

They're not just "betting all their money" but also their lives on it not being true. because they really want it to be true. And the majority win that bet, for them. But a minority losing it is still enough to fill the ICUs.

peteradio 5y ago
Wanna back up that 75% young people clogging up ICUs with covid? Is that what you really want to be true?
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  What I "really want to be true" is irrelevant, we have to engage with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. Plans are better if they are based on reality, not on our "bet".
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Ok, so to be clear you believe that young people with their covid are clogging up ICUs at a rate of 75% occupancy, and that is based on an off-the-cuff riff from a single person and not validated statistics? Personally I think its clear that they are saying 75% people of all ages are unvaccinated in the ICU, some unmentioned percentage being "younger" i.e 60 rather than 90. That is, not 75% are young and unvaccinated. The poor precision of the sentence lends itself to be understood incorrectly and its unfortunate that un-discerning people pass along their misunderstanding.

JPKab 5y ago

The Navajo Nation has a sky-high obesity rate. As a physician there you know this. And you also know that obesity is a primary driver of hospitalization in younger people. Fry bread is poison. It's not representative of the whole. As unhealthy as most of the US population is, it's far worse on the rez. There's absolutely nothing remotely statistically significant about a four bed ICU. You can't draw conclusions about broader trends based on that.