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Paradoxically, the USA seems more active in the current conflict over Ukraine than the rest of the EU. And it was Germany who blocked the delivery of NATO weapo

Paradoxically, the USA seems more active in the current conflict over Ukraine than the rest of the EU. And it was Germany who blocked the delivery of NATO weapons to Ukraine.

atlasunshrugged 5y ago
That doesn't seem paradoxical at all, the US is the strongest global military power and the EU lives under its defense umbrella anyways
zauguin 5y ago
What does "the rest of the EU" mean here? It's not like the USA are a member.
bee_rider 5y ago
I don't think that's paradoxical at all. This is right in the EU's backyard. If it were to heat up they'd actually have to deal with things like refugees and the possibility of war spreading to their members. They probably also want to be very explicit about their (lack of) obligations in this case, I mean people are already acting as if this calls into question how steadfast they'll be in defense of eastern EU members.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  We have two options. First, Putin is bluffing. This is what most people believe (and hope). In this case giving Ukraine more weapons won't hurt anyone. Option two is that he is really planning some offensive action this winter. In this case sending weapons to Ukraine could help in slowing the Russians down. It could also help in decimating their army - if they unmask as a ruthless aggressor, it is in the interest of the whole civilization, not just the EU, to limit their impact.
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    There are countless options. Another option is that both the EU and Putin know Russia does not have the conventional strength to attack the EU, but does have the manpower to attack other unaligned countries. And so, the EU has decided to prioritize their other interests over standing up to Russia.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
It's just our way of flipping the bird to Victoria Nuland for saying 'Fuck the EU!' But don't take it too seriosly, that was long ago, now our brand new and most competent foreign affairs sock-puppet goes with the flow.

Paradoxically, the USA seems more active in the current conflict over Ukraine than the rest of the EU. And it was Germany who blocked the delivery of NATO weapons to Ukraine.

atlasunshrugged 5y ago

That doesn't seem paradoxical at all, the US is the strongest global military power and the EU lives under its defense umbrella anyways

zauguin 5y ago

What does "the rest of the EU" mean here? It's not like the USA are a member.

bee_rider 5y ago

I don't think that's paradoxical at all. This is right in the EU's backyard. If it were to heat up they'd actually have to deal with things like refugees and the possibility of war spreading to their members. They probably also want to be very explicit about their (lack of) obligations in this case, I mean people are already acting as if this calls into question how steadfast they'll be in defense of eastern EU members.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
We have two options. First, Putin is bluffing. This is what most people believe (and hope). In this case giving Ukraine more weapons won't hurt anyone. Option two is that he is really planning some offensive action this winter. In this case sending weapons to Ukraine could help in slowing the Russians down. It could also help in decimating their army - if they unmask as a ruthless aggressor, it is in the interest of the whole civilization, not just the EU, to limit their impact.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  There are countless options. Another option is that both the EU and Putin know Russia does not have the conventional strength to attack the EU, but does have the manpower to attack other unaligned countries. And so, the EU has decided to prioritize their other interests over standing up to Russia.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

It's just our way of flipping the bird to Victoria Nuland for saying 'Fuck the EU!' But don't take it too seriosly, that was long ago, now our brand new and most competent foreign affairs sock-puppet goes with the flow.