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> attempting to paint his enemies as fascists. Ukraine makes this easy for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azo

> attempting to paint his enemies as fascists. Ukraine makes this easy for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

w_t_payne 5y ago
Clearly pretty vile, indefensible stuff, and yet it's Putin who is waging war against us.
- BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
  Realpolitik: it doesn't matter who started it. If Ukraine wants western assistance in this fight, they should stop incorporating neo-nazi militias into their national guard.
  - w_t_payne 5y ago
    I don't care who started it. I'm focused on direct threats to myself and my family.
    - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
      Well you've got to do what you've got to do. But practically speaking, nobody else is obliged to help you.
      - w_t_payne 5y ago
        Well, considering that we're at war, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we will eventually reach a point where none of us has any choice whatsoever.
1cvmask 5y ago
Apparently we can now arm and train these neo-Nazis according to the Wikipedia link: In March 2015 Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Regiment would be among the first units to be trained by United States Army troops in their Operation Fearless Guardian training mission.[46][47] US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015, as US House of Representatives passed an amendment blocking any aid (including arms and training) to the battalion due to its neo-Nazi background.[48] After the vote Congressman John Conyers thanked the House saying I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.[47] However, the amendment has since been removed as of November 2016.
throw1234651234 5y ago
You might want to stress that there are 10s of these battalions and 90%+ of them have no such leanings for honesty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine 18th Operational Regiment (Reinforced), Mariupol Regimental HQ 1st Patrol Battalion 2nd Special Purpose Battalion "Donbas", Mariupol Special Purpose Reinforced Battalion "Azov", Mariupol Special Patrol Company, Mariupol Support Company

> attempting to paint his enemies as fascists. Ukraine makes this easy for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

w_t_payne 5y ago

Clearly pretty vile, indefensible stuff, and yet it's Putin who is waging war against us.

BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
Realpolitik: it doesn't matter who started it. If Ukraine wants western assistance in this fight, they should stop incorporating neo-nazi militias into their national guard.
- w_t_payne 5y ago
  I don't care who started it. I'm focused on direct threats to myself and my family.
  - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
    Well you've got to do what you've got to do. But practically speaking, nobody else is obliged to help you.
    - w_t_payne 5y ago
      Well, considering that we're at war, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we will eventually reach a point where none of us has any choice whatsoever.

1cvmask 5y ago

Apparently we can now arm and train these neo-Nazis according to the Wikipedia link: In March 2015 Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Regiment would be among the first units to be trained by United States Army troops in their Operation Fearless Guardian training mission.[46][47] US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015, as US House of Representatives passed an amendment blocking any aid (including arms and training) to the battalion due to its neo-Nazi background.[48] After the vote Congressman John Conyers thanked the House saying I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.[47] However, the amendment has since been removed as of November 2016.

throw1234651234 5y ago

You might want to stress that there are 10s of these battalions and 90%+ of them have no such leanings for honesty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine 18th Operational Regiment (Reinforced), Mariupol Regimental HQ 1st Patrol Battalion 2nd Special Purpose Battalion "Donbas", Mariupol Special Purpose Reinforced Battalion "Azov", Mariupol Special Patrol Company, Mariupol Support Company