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> Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable Not particularly the best comparison, we are talking here about applications and servi

> Chatting with random people on the internet is much more unpredictable Not particularly the best comparison, we are talking here about applications and services which we sell and we have to make sure that we have the confidence that we can trust our own systems and the customer can rely on our word and engineering skills. Right now we are still in the primordial soup of AI. As long as we do not have proper methods to verify and certify our models, they are dangerous and unpredictable.

egeozcan 5y ago
Please see my other response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981 As a summary, generating content isn't new and just increases your moderation load. AI is not something "special". It's just software, at the end.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  That’s a bit like saying machine guns aren’t an improvement over bows and arrows because they both throw projectiles, isn’t it?
  - egeozcan 5y ago
    I'm not talking about improvements. You need gun control with bows and arrows, and you still need gun control with machine guns. That's what I'm saying.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      And what we're saying is stuff like GPT-3 may be improvements on the level of archery --> machine gunning when it comes to online trolling, misinformation, and the like. Casually dismissing it with "well it's just extra moderation load" is a mistake, I think.
      - egeozcan 5y ago
        First of all: You were down voted, but I up voted your comment because I respect it. I still humbly think that it'd still be a cat and mouse game on every side imaginable. You may argue that this leaves individuals vulnerable (people not being able to discern actual people from chat bots, which was the given example), but in the end, people learn to adapt. They get their own AI assistant to do the job or they keep doing what they did before: Just don't trust anonymous people online. They can be murderers, molesters, terrorists or worse, bots :)
- _s_a_m_ 5y ago
  You are comparing apples and oranges. "generating content" does not yet say HOW the data is generated. Here we are specifically talking about probabilistic generative model, which are inherently unsuited for mission critical purposes, as they are engineered right now. I don't need to do this discussion, this is basic introductory education and consent in University courses about AI and especially about system engineering verification and certification, which is required for most customers on a large scale and mission critical purposes.
  - egeozcan 5y ago
    > I don't need to do this discussion Then why are you on HN, replying to exactly that discussion? We are not teenagers, I may be wrong, I would be okay with it. > Here we are specifically talking about probabilistic generative model, which are inherently unsuited for mission critical purposes, as they are engineered right now In what qualitative way does that differ from any kind of data generation?

egeozcan 5y ago

Please see my other response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29576981 As a summary, generating content isn't new and just increases your moderation load. AI is not something "special". It's just software, at the end.

ceejayoz 5y ago
That’s a bit like saying machine guns aren’t an improvement over bows and arrows because they both throw projectiles, isn’t it?
- egeozcan 5y ago
  I'm not talking about improvements. You need gun control with bows and arrows, and you still need gun control with machine guns. That's what I'm saying.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    And what we're saying is stuff like GPT-3 may be improvements on the level of archery --> machine gunning when it comes to online trolling, misinformation, and the like. Casually dismissing it with "well it's just extra moderation load" is a mistake, I think.
    - egeozcan 5y ago
      First of all: You were down voted, but I up voted your comment because I respect it. I still humbly think that it'd still be a cat and mouse game on every side imaginable. You may argue that this leaves individuals vulnerable (people not being able to discern actual people from chat bots, which was the given example), but in the end, people learn to adapt. They get their own AI assistant to do the job or they keep doing what they did before: Just don't trust anonymous people online. They can be murderers, molesters, terrorists or worse, bots :)
_s_a_m_ 5y ago
You are comparing apples and oranges. "generating content" does not yet say HOW the data is generated. Here we are specifically talking about probabilistic generative model, which are inherently unsuited for mission critical purposes, as they are engineered right now. I don't need to do this discussion, this is basic introductory education and consent in University courses about AI and especially about system engineering verification and certification, which is required for most customers on a large scale and mission critical purposes.
- egeozcan 5y ago
  > I don't need to do this discussion Then why are you on HN, replying to exactly that discussion? We are not teenagers, I may be wrong, I would be okay with it. > Here we are specifically talking about probabilistic generative model, which are inherently unsuited for mission critical purposes, as they are engineered right now In what qualitative way does that differ from any kind of data generation?