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> CONFLICTS OF INTEREST The author has no conflicts of interest to declare Right, who wants to live forever? There are so many conversations about living long

> CONFLICTS OF INTEREST The author has no conflicts of interest to declare Right, who wants to live forever? There are so many conversations about living longer and they lead in so many different directions: - How does the world move on from bad influences - At what point is it ok to choose when we can die - Will over-population become a serious issue - How do we support a larger aged population? - Do we expect to also extend "working years" ... and then why? - Does extending life cheapen our perception of it? ... etc The amount of time we have on this planet is a huge unknown to most of us. When any of us learn about a shorter finite time (eg: medical diagnoses), it often inspires us to make drastic changes, sometimes for the better. By finding ways of blanket-extending our life spans, we necessarily change societal expectations. Hopefully this doesn't become yet another area where we have a widening wealth-gap.

maerF0x0 5y ago
> - Will over-population become a serious issue Over population is a function of choosing to have children. I still think people who have children are not being properly held accountable for the outcomes of their choices -- look at how over populated countries are now the most polluting (even with low per capital pollution). Somehow responsible countries are held to task for their per capita pollution, but not credited with not having created massive amounts of people?
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  Yea---I'm getting tired of acting excited when I hear we have another one on the way. In the USA, if you have an income (sometimes without any income), judges are putting guys in jail over non-support. It could be planned, or a Netfllix and chill; there are guys in jail over non-support. There's a part of me that gets it. Then there's a part of me that thinks the guy should have a say in the matter, and going to jail should not be part of the discussion, especially for the poor guys. I got off track, and realize the economy needs workers, and tax payers. Extending adult lives might make the modern economic system work? I just feel like there are to many of us, and kids from wealthy families pollute far more than poor kids over their lifetimes. To those that believe "It's my body--my right!" I'm with you, but are certain guys who can't be financial providers like society demands. Look up the comedian David Foley if you want a scare. And he's upper middle class, or used to be. I guarantee who might cancel your Netflix, and never have another booty call. And yes--as men we aren't supose to talk about the joyous event of baby making Ever. It's none of our business? Except when the judge throws you in jail. I know a homeless guy with severe psychological issues. (I have no idea why he's not on SSDI.) He's beyond help, other than needing a shelter, and regular meals--which is nonexistant. Ironic that my county is very wealthy. One of his acquaintances decided she wanted a child in her late 30's. "She needed purpose in her life". She asked around town. No one wanted any part of it. She finally corralled this basket case into her car on a rainy night, and poof she was pregnant. She told him she ecpected nothing. Her family is loaded. A year in a half later ge gets a letter from the family court in my county, and if he didn't show up there was a fine. (delivered to a free po box from a nonprofit)
- imoverclocked 5y ago
  > Over population is a function of choosing to have children. It's also a function of how long we live. It's also a function of how long we wait to have those children. If we start having kids at 15 and we live until 25, we have ~2 generations hanging around. If we start having kids at 25 and live to 90, we often have 3-4 generations hanging around. There is a lot of good info from searching "How does life expectancy affect population growth?" The fertility rate of some stage 4 countries is so low that the countries are in need of more babies. There is plenty of data on this but my favorite anecdotally is "Do it for Denmark"
senectus1 5y ago
Politics will have to change with our increased age lifespan as well... The world, the technology and the social constructs within it are changing faster and faster every year. Arguably we're already seeing issues with large aging parts of society trying to make decisions on New technologies and trying to maintain what they know (arguably climate change is a problem created several generations ago and not being acted on appropriately by those same generations). It makes my toes curl trying to mentally find fair and equitable ways to answer these issues. I suspect the anti aging technology will progress faster than our ability to react to it, much like climate change...
- MayeulC 5y ago
  On the other hand, maybe we'll get to perform more long-term thinking. Long-term issues like climate change might get easier to tackle.
xorfish 5y ago
> - How does the world move on from bad influences This is probably the most difficult to answer as reckless youth is often a driving force of change. Aging has negative impact on our mental capabilities, so it seems reasonable to expect the average person to change their mind if they stay young. > At what point is it ok to choose when we can die It should be ok right now. In fact it is ok in my country. > - Will over-population become a serious issue Maybe, but there is no reason why a bigger population can't use less resources. Longer lifespan might incentivize more sustainable politics > - How do we support a larger aged population? If you stop aging, then you increase the population of people who have bodies of healthy 20-30 year olds, not the population with bodies of 70 year olds. This frees up enormous resources that go in elderly care or treating age related disease. > - Do we expect to also extend "working years" ... and then why? Probably, but right now, nearly halve of our lifespan is "unproductive". 20-30 hour weeks with 6-12 weeks off per year forever seems better than 25 years getting an education, working 40 hours per week for 40 years with 5 weeks of vacation, followed by 20 years of retirement. > - Does extending life cheapen our perception of it? Why would it? If you die when you are 30 you lose around 50 years. Without aging, you would lose so much more.
- imoverclocked 5y ago
  > > - Does extending life cheapen our perception of it? > Why would it? If you die when you are 30 you lose around 50 years. Without aging, you would lose so much more. Precisely because you have so much time, it doesn't seem as valuable. eg: why not waste a few more years working in a job you don't like so you can make a few more bucks that will likely come in handy in later years. The more years you need to plan for, the more likely you are to trade time for money while you still can. OTOH, if you know you are probably not living past 30, you will live quite differently. Why invest in a 401k or learn about IRAs in this case? Also, most people won't want to spend 16 years in school for 8-10 years of productivity and 0-2 years of retirement. Work-life balance probably looks very different in this case.

maerF0x0 5y ago

> - Will over-population become a serious issue Over population is a function of choosing to have children. I still think people who have children are not being properly held accountable for the outcomes of their choices -- look at how over populated countries are now the most polluting (even with low per capital pollution). Somehow responsible countries are held to task for their per capita pollution, but not credited with not having created massive amounts of people?

hellbannedguy 5y ago
Yea---I'm getting tired of acting excited when I hear we have another one on the way. In the USA, if you have an income (sometimes without any income), judges are putting guys in jail over non-support. It could be planned, or a Netfllix and chill; there are guys in jail over non-support. There's a part of me that gets it. Then there's a part of me that thinks the guy should have a say in the matter, and going to jail should not be part of the discussion, especially for the poor guys. I got off track, and realize the economy needs workers, and tax payers. Extending adult lives might make the modern economic system work? I just feel like there are to many of us, and kids from wealthy families pollute far more than poor kids over their lifetimes. To those that believe "It's my body--my right!" I'm with you, but are certain guys who can't be financial providers like society demands. Look up the comedian David Foley if you want a scare. And he's upper middle class, or used to be. I guarantee who might cancel your Netflix, and never have another booty call. And yes--as men we aren't supose to talk about the joyous event of baby making Ever. It's none of our business? Except when the judge throws you in jail. I know a homeless guy with severe psychological issues. (I have no idea why he's not on SSDI.) He's beyond help, other than needing a shelter, and regular meals--which is nonexistant. Ironic that my county is very wealthy. One of his acquaintances decided she wanted a child in her late 30's. "She needed purpose in her life". She asked around town. No one wanted any part of it. She finally corralled this basket case into her car on a rainy night, and poof she was pregnant. She told him she ecpected nothing. Her family is loaded. A year in a half later ge gets a letter from the family court in my county, and if he didn't show up there was a fine. (delivered to a free po box from a nonprofit)
imoverclocked 5y ago
> Over population is a function of choosing to have children. It's also a function of how long we live. It's also a function of how long we wait to have those children. If we start having kids at 15 and we live until 25, we have ~2 generations hanging around. If we start having kids at 25 and live to 90, we often have 3-4 generations hanging around. There is a lot of good info from searching "How does life expectancy affect population growth?" The fertility rate of some stage 4 countries is so low that the countries are in need of more babies. There is plenty of data on this but my favorite anecdotally is "Do it for Denmark"

senectus1 5y ago

Politics will have to change with our increased age lifespan as well... The world, the technology and the social constructs within it are changing faster and faster every year. Arguably we're already seeing issues with large aging parts of society trying to make decisions on New technologies and trying to maintain what they know (arguably climate change is a problem created several generations ago and not being acted on appropriately by those same generations). It makes my toes curl trying to mentally find fair and equitable ways to answer these issues. I suspect the anti aging technology will progress faster than our ability to react to it, much like climate change...

MayeulC 5y ago
On the other hand, maybe we'll get to perform more long-term thinking. Long-term issues like climate change might get easier to tackle.

xorfish 5y ago

> - How does the world move on from bad influences This is probably the most difficult to answer as reckless youth is often a driving force of change. Aging has negative impact on our mental capabilities, so it seems reasonable to expect the average person to change their mind if they stay young. > At what point is it ok to choose when we can die It should be ok right now. In fact it is ok in my country. > - Will over-population become a serious issue Maybe, but there is no reason why a bigger population can't use less resources. Longer lifespan might incentivize more sustainable politics > - How do we support a larger aged population? If you stop aging, then you increase the population of people who have bodies of healthy 20-30 year olds, not the population with bodies of 70 year olds. This frees up enormous resources that go in elderly care or treating age related disease. > - Do we expect to also extend "working years" ... and then why? Probably, but right now, nearly halve of our lifespan is "unproductive". 20-30 hour weeks with 6-12 weeks off per year forever seems better than 25 years getting an education, working 40 hours per week for 40 years with 5 weeks of vacation, followed by 20 years of retirement. > - Does extending life cheapen our perception of it? Why would it? If you die when you are 30 you lose around 50 years. Without aging, you would lose so much more.

imoverclocked 5y ago
> > - Does extending life cheapen our perception of it? > Why would it? If you die when you are 30 you lose around 50 years. Without aging, you would lose so much more. Precisely because you have so much time, it doesn't seem as valuable. eg: why not waste a few more years working in a job you don't like so you can make a few more bucks that will likely come in handy in later years. The more years you need to plan for, the more likely you are to trade time for money while you still can. OTOH, if you know you are probably not living past 30, you will live quite differently. Why invest in a 401k or learn about IRAs in this case? Also, most people won't want to spend 16 years in school for 8-10 years of productivity and 0-2 years of retirement. Work-life balance probably looks very different in this case.