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I've used Rails for pretty much everything over the years, since like Rails 1, and still intend to. It's very good! But I will say I hope to switch soon to som

by wilg 5y ago

I've used Rails for pretty much everything over the years, since like Rails 1, and still intend to. It's very good! But I will say I hope to switch soon to something Rails-inspired, like Vapor, in a more modern language, like Swift.

aphistic 5y ago
What are your thoughts on Elixir and Phoenix?
- zapfo 5y ago
  Elixir, or rather Phoenix - more specifically, is not good for traditional web apps, in my opinion. You will basically reinvent everything like in the JavaScript world. The functional way of programming looks great at first but there is a reason why it isn't used everywhere, if it is so good :). Feel free to explore though. And make your own opinion.
- wilg 5y ago
  I've tried it a bit (via https://phoenixforrailsdevelopers.com/ https://phoenixforrailsdevelopers.com/), and it seems very cool especially with the realtime features, but I greatly prefer Swift as a language.
- baash05 5y ago
  It fills about the same shoes as ruby/rails. But IMHO it does a rather bad job of it. The docs are bad, and when you google for answers you almost always find "here's how to do it rails" first. All the things that Elixir sells as good fall under the YANGNI. Code swapping sounds great, until you add in docker and red green deploy. Immutable data seems great, but threaded code isn't all that common in most web apps. (not near business logic threads that is) I don't see it as mature enough (despite its history) And it's hard to hire for.
todd3834 5y ago
I recently tried to build a relatively simple blog app with Vapor just to learn it. Once I got to trying to find third party libraries for things I needed it got very frustrating. I just needed to interact and generate a key using the AWS sdk. My hacky solution was to use the golang lib and compile it to C then import it. It was more hassle than it was worth for me. I like swift but it doesn’t feel like the ecosystem is interested enough in server for me. Hope to see that change but I’m not holding my breath.
- wilg 5y ago
  Agree the ecosystem isn't there yet. But they are trying! https://www.swift.org/sswg/ https://www.swift.org/sswg/

by wilg 5y ago

aphistic 5y ago

What are your thoughts on Elixir and Phoenix?

zapfo 5y ago
Elixir, or rather Phoenix - more specifically, is not good for traditional web apps, in my opinion. You will basically reinvent everything like in the JavaScript world. The functional way of programming looks great at first but there is a reason why it isn't used everywhere, if it is so good :). Feel free to explore though. And make your own opinion.
wilg 5y ago
I've tried it a bit (via https://phoenixforrailsdevelopers.com/ https://phoenixforrailsdevelopers.com/), and it seems very cool especially with the realtime features, but I greatly prefer Swift as a language.
baash05 5y ago
It fills about the same shoes as ruby/rails. But IMHO it does a rather bad job of it. The docs are bad, and when you google for answers you almost always find "here's how to do it rails" first. All the things that Elixir sells as good fall under the YANGNI. Code swapping sounds great, until you add in docker and red green deploy. Immutable data seems great, but threaded code isn't all that common in most web apps. (not near business logic threads that is) I don't see it as mature enough (despite its history) And it's hard to hire for.

todd3834 5y ago

I recently tried to build a relatively simple blog app with Vapor just to learn it. Once I got to trying to find third party libraries for things I needed it got very frustrating. I just needed to interact and generate a key using the AWS sdk. My hacky solution was to use the golang lib and compile it to C then import it. It was more hassle than it was worth for me. I like swift but it doesn’t feel like the ecosystem is interested enough in server for me. Hope to see that change but I’m not holding my breath.

wilg 5y ago
Agree the ecosystem isn't there yet. But they are trying! https://www.swift.org/sswg/ https://www.swift.org/sswg/