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Most of those statements are really silly. How do those people got to think and make claims like they have some authority over those issues?

jpmoral 5y ago
Which ones in particular do you disagree with and why?
oh_sigh 5y ago
It's a manifesto. They are saying "We are X, and here is what we believe". Anyone can do that, no authority required.
- temp8964 5y ago
  They are saying they represent some sort of consensus. Of course anyone can say that too, but most people don’t talk that way.
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    They represent the concensus amongst themselves, as technorealists. As technorealists, we seek to expand the fertile middle ground between techno-utopianism and neo-Luddism. We are technology "critics" in the same way, and for the same reasons, that others are food critics, art critics, or literary critics. We can be passionately optimistic about some technologies, skeptical and disdainful of others. Still, our goal is neither to champion nor dismiss technology, but rather to understand it and apply it in a manner more consistent with basic human values. From TFA.
    - temp8964 5y ago
      Consensus among themselves? LoL.
dredmorbius 5y ago
One of the values of the Internet generally strongly endorsed by the Technorealists, techno-optimists, and techo-pessimists (or neo-Luddites) is that the Internet should be a forum for free expression especially of minority views. Which is precisely what they are doing: freely expressing what at the time was a distinctly minority view. For a list of signatories, see: https://www.technorealism.org/faq.html https://www.technorealism.org/faq.html You'll have to use the Wayback Machine on many of those links, though HN readers who've followed this debate should recognise at least some names. I've highlighted a few in an earlier comment. Several (and perhaps most) of the signatories have written books (either before or after the launch of Technorealism), and/or articles in the tech or general press.

jpmoral 5y ago

Which ones in particular do you disagree with and why?

oh_sigh 5y ago

It's a manifesto. They are saying "We are X, and here is what we believe". Anyone can do that, no authority required.

temp8964 5y ago
They are saying they represent some sort of consensus. Of course anyone can say that too, but most people don’t talk that way.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  They represent the concensus amongst themselves, as technorealists. As technorealists, we seek to expand the fertile middle ground between techno-utopianism and neo-Luddism. We are technology "critics" in the same way, and for the same reasons, that others are food critics, art critics, or literary critics. We can be passionately optimistic about some technologies, skeptical and disdainful of others. Still, our goal is neither to champion nor dismiss technology, but rather to understand it and apply it in a manner more consistent with basic human values. From TFA.
  - temp8964 5y ago
    Consensus among themselves? LoL.

dredmorbius 5y ago

One of the values of the Internet generally strongly endorsed by the Technorealists, techno-optimists, and techo-pessimists (or neo-Luddites) is that the Internet should be a forum for free expression especially of minority views. Which is precisely what they are doing: freely expressing what at the time was a distinctly minority view. For a list of signatories, see: https://www.technorealism.org/faq.html https://www.technorealism.org/faq.html You'll have to use the Wayback Machine on many of those links, though HN readers who've followed this debate should recognise at least some names. I've highlighted a few in an earlier comment. Several (and perhaps most) of the signatories have written books (either before or after the launch of Technorealism), and/or articles in the tech or general press.