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Strangely, though, the opposite has been the trend for the last decade.

by yostrovs 5y ago

echelon 5y ago
There will be a tipping point. I just don't think we'll see it until they start ripping up gas stations.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
  The first time a gas station is replaced by a row of electric chargers, half of our country is going to lose their farking minds.
  - AuthorizedCust 5y ago
    I think you’ll far more often see gas stations replaced by other uses. It’s too easy to install residential chargers.
    - aurizon 5y ago
      Yes, I agree, it all depends on the power rate. A savvy owner will install a home power bank that can be charges at the best rate, and have a faster charge capability. I expect many stations will be converted to the highest best use for the property. Chargers do not need prime strip locations because the cars will come to them, so they can spot them in here and there as the power distribution grid warrants. Of course, power sellers greed will want to grab some of this, so I anticipate regulators will also have a role.
  - mgbmtl 5y ago
    Where I live (Montreal), a few gaz stations have been replaced by condos. There are still way too many stations, and they always seem empty, but presumably still lucrative. Outside the cities, increasingly gaz stations also have charging stations. It only takes a bit of space, and it's subsidized. 10% of new vehicle sales are EVs (in the province), and it has doubled for the past 5 years. We're getting there :)
    - aurizon 5y ago
      Yes Quebec has very cheap electricity until about the middle 2030's when the cheap power gets turned off.
      - echelon 5y ago
        > when the cheap power gets turned off What does this mean? Nuclear decommissions? Fossil fuel shuttering? ...?
        aurizon 5y ago
        When the cheap deal on Churchill falls expires. When renewed, as per the agreement, the price will be adjusted and Newfoundland and Labrador will get more $$, and they will be able to export power via UHV cable to the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Falls_Generating_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Falls_Generating_Sta...
redis_mlc 5y ago
The Democratic Party has promised to strangle US energy availability, so prices will continue to go up. (Their strategy to fight climate change is by forcing energy companies out of business and closing pipelines.)
aurizon 5y ago
I think there is an overlaying of various trends. The first successful ecars - the Teslas - have shown the way. The first ecars were made to fail so that the car makers could cite the lack of demand. We will not see Detroit and others making serious contenders (once their fires from being too cheap are done)

Strangely, though, the opposite has been the trend for the last decade.

echelon 5y ago

There will be a tipping point. I just don't think we'll see it until they start ripping up gas stations.

kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
The first time a gas station is replaced by a row of electric chargers, half of our country is going to lose their farking minds.
- AuthorizedCust 5y ago
  I think you’ll far more often see gas stations replaced by other uses. It’s too easy to install residential chargers.
  - aurizon 5y ago
    Yes, I agree, it all depends on the power rate. A savvy owner will install a home power bank that can be charges at the best rate, and have a faster charge capability. I expect many stations will be converted to the highest best use for the property. Chargers do not need prime strip locations because the cars will come to them, so they can spot them in here and there as the power distribution grid warrants. Of course, power sellers greed will want to grab some of this, so I anticipate regulators will also have a role.
- mgbmtl 5y ago
  Where I live (Montreal), a few gaz stations have been replaced by condos. There are still way too many stations, and they always seem empty, but presumably still lucrative. Outside the cities, increasingly gaz stations also have charging stations. It only takes a bit of space, and it's subsidized. 10% of new vehicle sales are EVs (in the province), and it has doubled for the past 5 years. We're getting there :)
  - aurizon 5y ago
    Yes Quebec has very cheap electricity until about the middle 2030's when the cheap power gets turned off.
    - echelon 5y ago
      > when the cheap power gets turned off What does this mean? Nuclear decommissions? Fossil fuel shuttering? ...?
      - aurizon 5y ago
        When the cheap deal on Churchill falls expires. When renewed, as per the agreement, the price will be adjusted and Newfoundland and Labrador will get more $$, and they will be able to export power via UHV cable to the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Falls_Generating_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Falls_Generating_Sta...

redis_mlc 5y ago

The Democratic Party has promised to strangle US energy availability, so prices will continue to go up. (Their strategy to fight climate change is by forcing energy companies out of business and closing pipelines.)

aurizon 5y ago

I think there is an overlaying of various trends. The first successful ecars - the Teslas - have shown the way. The first ecars were made to fail so that the car makers could cite the lack of demand. We will not see Detroit and others making serious contenders (once their fires from being too cheap are done)