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> The person I was responding to is only spreading a theory that SFs problems are just a GOP meme. That's fair, he doesn't live here, but I can vouch for his i

> The person I was responding to is only spreading a theory that SFs problems are just a GOP meme. That's fair, he doesn't live here, but I can vouch for his idea that SF woes are exaggerated for political purposes. I used to live in a very conservative part of California and they used to talk about how the Bay Area is an expensive shithole. I had to move here due to work and was surprised that everything here seems to be about the same price. You get slightly less apartment for the same price, but price floor is pretty much the same. The roads are definitely not as nice but taking public transportation is actually feasible option here. Homelessness mostly hasn't been a problem except for those two areas in SF and Oaklamd, aside from there it's only slightly higher than other major cities I've been to, with the possible exception of Vancouver, where it's actually better. Hopefully my anecdote has enough detail to convince you that I'm at least being honest :) > For them to be true, you’d have to accuse the people reporting their experiences of lying, while taking the poster I was replying to at face value. That would be delusional. Yeah I agree, I reached the same conclusion as that poster by experience, but you definitely shouldn't take it as fact based on it's assertion alone. I think he was just throwing it out there in hopes of starting a discussion, but that's definitely a charitable interpretation. > I’m taking them all at face value, unless there is evidence to the contrary. Statements like these remind me of the old saying from a bygone age "only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." Anonymous internet posts have no bar for entry and as such, should be treated with extreme skepticism.

zepto 5y ago
>> I’m taking them all at face value, unless there is evidence to the contrary. > Statements like these remind me of the old saying from a bygone age "only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." Anonymous internet posts have no bar for entry and as such, should be treated with extreme skepticism. Sure but then you have to take literally every post with extreme skepticism. If you pick and choose, then you are simply deluding yourself. If you don’t pick and choose but assume everyone is lying, then you end up in a uselessly paranoid position. This is why I take the statements at face value for the purpose of the conversation. And as I have said elsewhere - people sharing their actual experiences is very different from a distant person saying it’s all a GOP plot. For what it’s worth, I have lived in SF, and the East bay, as well as Europe, and SF is not as bad as the GOP would like to claim, but frankly who cares. Nothing is as bad as the GOP claims. What does seem true to me is that SF and the Bay Area in general does have serious problems and some things have been getting worse for a while. E.g. homelessness. There simply weren’t the same tent cities all over the bay 20 years ago. My point is that this has nothing to do with the GOP meme. Introducing that is literally a way to distract from what is actually going on.

zepto 5y ago

>> I’m taking them all at face value, unless there is evidence to the contrary. > Statements like these remind me of the old saying from a bygone age "only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." Anonymous internet posts have no bar for entry and as such, should be treated with extreme skepticism. Sure but then you have to take literally every post with extreme skepticism. If you pick and choose, then you are simply deluding yourself. If you don’t pick and choose but assume everyone is lying, then you end up in a uselessly paranoid position. This is why I take the statements at face value for the purpose of the conversation. And as I have said elsewhere - people sharing their actual experiences is very different from a distant person saying it’s all a GOP plot. For what it’s worth, I have lived in SF, and the East bay, as well as Europe, and SF is not as bad as the GOP would like to claim, but frankly who cares. Nothing is as bad as the GOP claims. What does seem true to me is that SF and the Bay Area in general does have serious problems and some things have been getting worse for a while. E.g. homelessness. There simply weren’t the same tent cities all over the bay 20 years ago. My point is that this has nothing to do with the GOP meme. Introducing that is literally a way to distract from what is actually going on.