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> do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers Oh, yeah? They may aggregate or otherwise an

> do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers Oh, yeah? They may aggregate or otherwise anonymize data but there is absolutely reporting to advertisers. https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-privacy-model-for-ad-confirmations https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-pri... They call it 'ad confirmations' and spend a lot of time trying to convince you that its all private. Its not all private to Brave itself, which is an advertising network.

rglullis 5y ago
Ok, if you want to be pedantic about it: it does not report any user, private data. Better now? And read again, the page states clear that Brave does not learn anything about the user. The confirmation system is mostly to avoid client fraud. Not having such a system is against the interest of the users (they would lose reward-generating impressions to fraudsters) and to publishers (who currently pay Google/Facebook/Twitter whatever they claim to have printed). Yes, it is an ad network. But as I said before, the problem is not with ads, it's the tracking and the industry practices. [0] we should be rooting for them to disrupt the industry, not just shrugging it off and hoping that the incumbents suddenly have a change of heart. [0] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  I don't want a web browser reporting any data or telemetry about me period.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    It's opt-in. And the data is not about you! What is so difficult to understand?
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
      It is opt out (telemetry data) but supposedly anonymized, so the data is about the user but is supposed to not be used in identifying them.
      - rglullis 5y ago
        No. We are talking about the ads system. That is completely opt-in. You are talking about their 3PA (Privacy-preserving Product Analytics) telemetry system, which has nothing to do with the ads.
    - annoyingnoob 5y ago
      Targeted advertising is by definition about you. Aggregated information that reports on targeted ads is about you and others like you. Personally, I'm willing to pay for a Browser that does not also need an ad network to support it. To quote Brave "The goal is to show you privacy respecting ads that are relevant to the user in the right context. This is done by "matching" an ad that is (ideally) catered to you based on your browsing activity". https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360055013431-Why-don-t-I-see-any-Brave-Ads-after-enabling-them- https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360055013431-Why... It is clearly about you.
      - rglullis 5y ago
        > Personally, I'm willing to pay for a Browser that does not also need an ad network to support it. Ok, now go with the other 28 people that think the same and see if you can hire one developer. Or let's start much lower in the stack: let me know of ONE web service that is based on open standards and that you are paying right now.
        annoyingnoob 5y ago
        I'm not sure what you are getting at, an implementation of a standard is not the standard itself. I buy lots of software that implements various open standards.

rglullis 5y ago

Ok, if you want to be pedantic about it: it does not report any user, private data. Better now? And read again, the page states clear that Brave does not learn anything about the user. The confirmation system is mostly to avoid client fraud. Not having such a system is against the interest of the users (they would lose reward-generating impressions to fraudsters) and to publishers (who currently pay Google/Facebook/Twitter whatever they claim to have printed). Yes, it is an ad network. But as I said before, the problem is not with ads, it's the tracking and the industry practices. [0] we should be rooting for them to disrupt the industry, not just shrugging it off and hoping that the incumbents suddenly have a change of heart. [0] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492

encryptluks2 5y ago
I don't want a web browser reporting any data or telemetry about me period.
- rglullis 5y ago
  It's opt-in. And the data is not about you! What is so difficult to understand?
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    It is opt out (telemetry data) but supposedly anonymized, so the data is about the user but is supposed to not be used in identifying them.
    - rglullis 5y ago
      No. We are talking about the ads system. That is completely opt-in. You are talking about their 3PA (Privacy-preserving Product Analytics) telemetry system, which has nothing to do with the ads.
  - annoyingnoob 5y ago
    Targeted advertising is by definition about you. Aggregated information that reports on targeted ads is about you and others like you. Personally, I'm willing to pay for a Browser that does not also need an ad network to support it. To quote Brave "The goal is to show you privacy respecting ads that are relevant to the user in the right context. This is done by "matching" an ad that is (ideally) catered to you based on your browsing activity". https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360055013431-Why-don-t-I-see-any-Brave-Ads-after-enabling-them- https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360055013431-Why... It is clearly about you.
    - rglullis 5y ago
      > Personally, I'm willing to pay for a Browser that does not also need an ad network to support it. Ok, now go with the other 28 people that think the same and see if you can hire one developer. Or let's start much lower in the stack: let me know of ONE web service that is based on open standards and that you are paying right now.
      - annoyingnoob 5y ago
        I'm not sure what you are getting at, an implementation of a standard is not the standard itself. I buy lots of software that implements various open standards.