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Suppose I'm addicted to porn and that it's damaging my marriage. I want to be free of it. But when I pick my phone up, I'm tempted to view it. I know I want

Suppose I'm addicted to porn and that it's damaging my marriage. I want to be free of it. But when I pick my phone up, I'm tempted to view it. I know I want to be free of it. I don't want my life to suffer any more as a result of it. But I need help, because in those weaker moments my will power isn't sufficient. This is where making it difficult to bypass comes in. Keep in mind difficult do bypass doesn't equal "can't be removed", it means it can be removed but an alert is sent if it is removed. They can't bypass it without triggering an alert, therefore it's not been bypassed (at least by my definition/use of the word bypass).

ashtonkem 5y ago
To be honest, I don’t believe you. “Our app will only be used by people on themselves in order to change their own behavior” is a wildly implausible use case to focus on for what is effectively spyware. My takeaway is that I’m beginning to think that Apple was correct in blocking your app.
- nlh 5y ago
  And in particular, there's a whole section that reads "With Truple, you can virtually "peek" over your child's shoulder & course-correct as needed." So right there it's admitting that the intended use is to spy on someone else (in this case, "your kids"). I'm with you here. I just don't believe OP on this one. Apple thinks this is a spying app, and they don't want it on their platform.
detaro 5y ago
You don't seem to be engaging with the parents point about your messaging at all with this comment. FWIW, this all reads like an excellent demonstration why this category of app isn't trusted.
- camhart 5y ago
  I'm explaining how the app can be both difficult to bypass and voluntarily used.
nerdjon 5y ago
Again you are saying something very different here than any of your marketing. If you want to make the choice to stop watching porn, that is fine. If you want to use software like this and you want to ask your spouse to help, that is fine. But your marketing, your google play listing that I quoted it is not you making the choice. It is someone else "protecting" you and making the choice. Quoting an exact quote from your google play listing. The very first sentence: "Truple protects your loved ones against porn & other online filth. It holds your loved ones accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  What if it said: "Truple holds YOU accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."
  - nerdjon 5y ago
    Then at least what the OP is saying here and what the marketing said would align. But at this time, there is one story of what this app does here (hacker news) and a completely different story from what is being told on the website and marketing. The other apps that they are saying had no issues with approval, follow the story that is being told here. I don't think it changes the problematic nature of the app. But they are claiming to be the same as the other app but there is a dramatic difference in how the capabilities of the app is communicated to Apple and users.
    - camhart 5y ago
      https://web.archive.org/web/20190424203239/https://truple.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190424203239/https://truple.io... is the landing page when the original version of the app was submitted for notarization. Since you're digging into the ad copy, we might as well be looking at the appropriate website. It's not two stories... I include customer reviews on my landing page that show spouses, individuals, and parents feedback because all benefit from it. The Google Play app description is adjusted to be more in alignment with Google Play Developer Agreement policies. To clarify, keeping Google, Apple, and everyone else happy with the wording in the marketing seems to demand walking a razers edge. I've done my best to comply appropriately for each platform. It's a disservice to the conversation for you to pull in the Google Play listing, make accusations about me/Truple as a result, and not have the full picture. I've shared more in this post than I originally cared to in order to provide the bigger picture. I'm not trying to hide anything here, but there are reasons other than malicious intent for why things are worded the way they are and instead of leaping to those conclusions you could instead ask why.
aetch 5y ago
You need to tell us what gym you go to because your mental gymnastics are on another level.

ashtonkem 5y ago

To be honest, I don’t believe you. “Our app will only be used by people on themselves in order to change their own behavior” is a wildly implausible use case to focus on for what is effectively spyware. My takeaway is that I’m beginning to think that Apple was correct in blocking your app.

nlh 5y ago
And in particular, there's a whole section that reads "With Truple, you can virtually "peek" over your child's shoulder & course-correct as needed." So right there it's admitting that the intended use is to spy on someone else (in this case, "your kids"). I'm with you here. I just don't believe OP on this one. Apple thinks this is a spying app, and they don't want it on their platform.

detaro 5y ago

You don't seem to be engaging with the parents point about your messaging at all with this comment. FWIW, this all reads like an excellent demonstration why this category of app isn't trusted.

camhart 5y ago
I'm explaining how the app can be both difficult to bypass and voluntarily used.

nerdjon 5y ago

Again you are saying something very different here than any of your marketing. If you want to make the choice to stop watching porn, that is fine. If you want to use software like this and you want to ask your spouse to help, that is fine. But your marketing, your google play listing that I quoted it is not you making the choice. It is someone else "protecting" you and making the choice. Quoting an exact quote from your google play listing. The very first sentence: "Truple protects your loved ones against porn & other online filth. It holds your loved ones accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
What if it said: "Truple holds YOU accountable in a way that's near impossible to bypass by capturing and sharing screenshots."
- nerdjon 5y ago
  Then at least what the OP is saying here and what the marketing said would align. But at this time, there is one story of what this app does here (hacker news) and a completely different story from what is being told on the website and marketing. The other apps that they are saying had no issues with approval, follow the story that is being told here. I don't think it changes the problematic nature of the app. But they are claiming to be the same as the other app but there is a dramatic difference in how the capabilities of the app is communicated to Apple and users.
  - camhart 5y ago
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190424203239/https://truple.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190424203239/https://truple.io... is the landing page when the original version of the app was submitted for notarization. Since you're digging into the ad copy, we might as well be looking at the appropriate website. It's not two stories... I include customer reviews on my landing page that show spouses, individuals, and parents feedback because all benefit from it. The Google Play app description is adjusted to be more in alignment with Google Play Developer Agreement policies. To clarify, keeping Google, Apple, and everyone else happy with the wording in the marketing seems to demand walking a razers edge. I've done my best to comply appropriately for each platform. It's a disservice to the conversation for you to pull in the Google Play listing, make accusations about me/Truple as a result, and not have the full picture. I've shared more in this post than I originally cared to in order to provide the bigger picture. I'm not trying to hide anything here, but there are reasons other than malicious intent for why things are worded the way they are and instead of leaping to those conclusions you could instead ask why.

aetch 5y ago

You need to tell us what gym you go to because your mental gymnastics are on another level.