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Don't forget that Brave is the product of an advertising network and their goal is to increase use of Brave to push more ads.

pineconewarrior 5y ago
So is Chrome. This doesn't diminish the value of security research and subsequent improvements by either. I'll stick to Firefox anyway :)
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Note that Firefox reports quite a lot of information by default and just like Chromium, you should look into using policies to prevent that.
  - pineconewarrior 5y ago
    Indeed - Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin (with some additional lists), Multi-Account Containers, and some settings adjustments are in place for me :) On top of network-level filtering!
ThunderSizzle 5y ago
I'll take Brave over Mozilla or Google right now. Size matters.
rglullis 5y ago
Ads that are opt-in, do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers? How I wish all advertising networks worked like that.
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  > do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers Oh, yeah? They may aggregate or otherwise anonymize data but there is absolutely reporting to advertisers. https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-privacy-model-for-ad-confirmations https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-pri... They call it 'ad confirmations' and spend a lot of time trying to convince you that its all private. Its not all private to Brave itself, which is an advertising network.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    Ok, if you want to be pedantic about it: it does not report any user, private data. Better now? And read again, the page states clear that Brave does not learn anything about the user. The confirmation system is mostly to avoid client fraud. Not having such a system is against the interest of the users (they would lose reward-generating impressions to fraudsters) and to publishers (who currently pay Google/Facebook/Twitter whatever they claim to have printed). Yes, it is an ad network. But as I said before, the problem is not with ads, it's the tracking and the industry practices. [0] we should be rooting for them to disrupt the industry, not just shrugging it off and hoping that the incumbents suddenly have a change of heart. [0] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
      I don't want a web browser reporting any data or telemetry about me period.
      - rglullis 5y ago
        It's opt-in. And the data is not about you! What is so difficult to understand?
        encryptluks2 5y ago
        It is opt out (telemetry data) but supposedly anonymized, so the data is about the user but is supposed to not be used in identifying them.
        rglullis 5y ago
        No. We are talking about the ads system. That is completely opt-in. You are talking about their 3PA (Privacy-preserving Product Analytics) telemetry system, which has nothing to do with the ads.
        annoyingnoob 5y ago
- KarlKemp 5y ago
  They weren’t always opt-in for the authors, however. The self-declared “brave” idea seems to be finding the most obnoxious answer to the wuestion, “why isn’t there another middleman between creators and consumers, skimming 30% of the revenue by replacing ads the creator allowed with their own. And maybe throw some blockchain in there, why not?”
  - rglullis 5y ago
    If you are an author that wants to monetize your site by putting ads that track your users, I have no sympathy for you. You already have a "middleman between creators and consumers", with the difference that this one is hostile to the users. Yes, Brave flips this and puts the burden on creators and make it more difficult for them to track the users, even if involuntarily. As an user and as a creator, I prefer it like this.

pineconewarrior 5y ago

So is Chrome. This doesn't diminish the value of security research and subsequent improvements by either. I'll stick to Firefox anyway :)

encryptluks2 5y ago
Note that Firefox reports quite a lot of information by default and just like Chromium, you should look into using policies to prevent that.
- pineconewarrior 5y ago
  Indeed - Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin (with some additional lists), Multi-Account Containers, and some settings adjustments are in place for me :) On top of network-level filtering!

ThunderSizzle 5y ago

I'll take Brave over Mozilla or Google right now. Size matters.

rglullis 5y ago

Ads that are opt-in, do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers? How I wish all advertising networks worked like that.

annoyingnoob 5y ago
> do not send data to third-parties and do not work as a monetization strategy for low-quality content publishers Oh, yeah? They may aggregate or otherwise anonymize data but there is absolutely reporting to advertisers. https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-privacy-model-for-ad-confirmations https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-pri... They call it 'ad confirmations' and spend a lot of time trying to convince you that its all private. Its not all private to Brave itself, which is an advertising network.
- rglullis 5y ago
  Ok, if you want to be pedantic about it: it does not report any user, private data. Better now? And read again, the page states clear that Brave does not learn anything about the user. The confirmation system is mostly to avoid client fraud. Not having such a system is against the interest of the users (they would lose reward-generating impressions to fraudsters) and to publishers (who currently pay Google/Facebook/Twitter whatever they claim to have printed). Yes, it is an ad network. But as I said before, the problem is not with ads, it's the tracking and the industry practices. [0] we should be rooting for them to disrupt the industry, not just shrugging it off and hoping that the incumbents suddenly have a change of heart. [0] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457492
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    I don't want a web browser reporting any data or telemetry about me period.
    - rglullis 5y ago
      It's opt-in. And the data is not about you! What is so difficult to understand?
      - encryptluks2 5y ago
        It is opt out (telemetry data) but supposedly anonymized, so the data is about the user but is supposed to not be used in identifying them.
        rglullis 5y ago
        No. We are talking about the ads system. That is completely opt-in. You are talking about their 3PA (Privacy-preserving Product Analytics) telemetry system, which has nothing to do with the ads.
      - annoyingnoob 5y ago
KarlKemp 5y ago
They weren’t always opt-in for the authors, however. The self-declared “brave” idea seems to be finding the most obnoxious answer to the wuestion, “why isn’t there another middleman between creators and consumers, skimming 30% of the revenue by replacing ads the creator allowed with their own. And maybe throw some blockchain in there, why not?”
- rglullis 5y ago
  If you are an author that wants to monetize your site by putting ads that track your users, I have no sympathy for you. You already have a "middleman between creators and consumers", with the difference that this one is hostile to the users. Yes, Brave flips this and puts the burden on creators and make it more difficult for them to track the users, even if involuntarily. As an user and as a creator, I prefer it like this.