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> Trump, whom they hated just as much Does anyone in power actually hate Trump? So far as I could tell, all he did for most of his tenure was slash taxes and

by VRay 5y ago

> Trump, whom they hated just as much Does anyone in power actually hate Trump? So far as I could tell, all he did for most of his tenure was slash taxes and carefully shepherd the market upward while playing a lot of golf

subpixel 5y ago
He also put immigrant children in cages and molded the Supreme Court to criminalize abortion and made the prospect of a Putin-style 'President for life' an actual possibility in the near future. But as much as those things make some people hate him, they give many other people, including some very powerful people, reason to like him.
- mc32 5y ago
  He put them in the same accommodations as Obama and Biden currently uses.
- keyboardCowBoy 5y ago
  Regardless of what Brandon says, you can still come to this country illegally. Cages...Cages...You mean the ones the Obama administration built?
  - jdhendrickson 5y ago
    No one has ever denied that detention facilities were created and used as they are in every nation to deal with undocumented immigrants. Your reply ignores all context in regard to HOW they were used during the last administration. Splitting up families punitively was a change in policy. Giving away children with no paper trail to christian adoption agencies is abhorrent in the extreme. Purposefully worsening conditions punitively in regard to food, sanitation, and medical care rather than housing people temporarily and humanely should not be policy. Locking people up with no means of redress for extended periods of time is also criminal, processing times were purposefully extended during the last administration. Many would call me a conservative. That does not mean I'm willing to support traitors who attempted to co-opt the democratic process while aligning themselves with a nation state that is our enemy. You know all of this and came here to argue in bad faith. I'm not commenting to reply to you, but merely to expose the lie of omission contained in your comment. I see more and more obvious astro-turfing here, mainly for these factually unsupported, and frankly insulting to anyone who has done a modicum of research, talking points. I don't want to discus politics on this site, I hate that I have been goaded into replying to a bad faith comment but if no one corrects the record and a lie is shouted long enough and loud enough it becomes something that people believe.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Actually lots of uninformed people have denied that, because their only source of information were corporations and politicians who deliberately mislead them about the children in cages thing. Others did begrudgingly admit it but then claimed that didn't matter because Obama is not president anymore, Trump is. They don't seem to be all that interested in children in cages anymore. No doubt it'll conveniently become a problem again in a few years time.
    - post_from_work 5y ago
      >>>Giving away children with no paper trail to christian adoption agencies is abhorrent in the extreme. Children with "no paper trail" often a) aren't with their own parents b) aren't there by choice. Why would you classify an adoption agency, which might try to place them with a loving family, as "abhorrent"? https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-strangers-children-border-littlest-immigrants-left-hands-smugglers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-stran... (paywalled) https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180508-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180... >>>Purposefully worsening conditions punitively in regard to food, sanitation, and medical care rather than housing people temporarily and humanely should not be policy. Locking people up with no means of redress for extended periods of time is also criminal, All of that is pretty much "situation normal" for pending deportees here in Japan. https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190709/p2a/00m/0fe/012000c https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190709/p2a/00m/0fe/01... In my experience, the perception among successful foreign immigrants here is "Do things the right way and this almost certainly will never be a risk for you. Insist on breaking the laws and you will get ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED. This isn't nice, but it is just." >>>That does not mean I'm willing to support traitors who attempted to co-opt the democratic process while aligning themselves with a nation state that is our enemy. You're right, you should give no quarter to those in our halls of power who have aligned themselves with China. Russia: 150 million people, $4 trillion GDP, primary threat vectors are against globally-irrelevant Eastern European states China: 1.3 billion people, $20 trillion GDP, primary threat vector is against the lynchpin of the world's semiconductor industry If half of our elites are in bed with Russia, and half are in bed with China....shouldn't we be focusing more energy on extirpating the ones aligned with the more dangerous threat?
mc32 5y ago
The generals wanted to keep their wars going and they wanted to maintain foreign presence or increase them. They wanted to have a say in just about every conflict that goes on. Trump wanted to get out of that business. He also thought it was time to reform NATO. He also thought he could appease them by increasing their budget and creating a space force. Never the less, they kept sniping and undermining him. Congress of course, despite lack of evidence continually wanted to impeach him over collusion with Russia and so on. Do yeah I think the establishment hated him just as much because he didn’t go along with their historical agenda.

by VRay 5y ago

subpixel 5y ago

He also put immigrant children in cages and molded the Supreme Court to criminalize abortion and made the prospect of a Putin-style 'President for life' an actual possibility in the near future. But as much as those things make some people hate him, they give many other people, including some very powerful people, reason to like him.

mc32 5y ago
He put them in the same accommodations as Obama and Biden currently uses.
keyboardCowBoy 5y ago
Regardless of what Brandon says, you can still come to this country illegally. Cages...Cages...You mean the ones the Obama administration built?
- jdhendrickson 5y ago
  No one has ever denied that detention facilities were created and used as they are in every nation to deal with undocumented immigrants. Your reply ignores all context in regard to HOW they were used during the last administration. Splitting up families punitively was a change in policy. Giving away children with no paper trail to christian adoption agencies is abhorrent in the extreme. Purposefully worsening conditions punitively in regard to food, sanitation, and medical care rather than housing people temporarily and humanely should not be policy. Locking people up with no means of redress for extended periods of time is also criminal, processing times were purposefully extended during the last administration. Many would call me a conservative. That does not mean I'm willing to support traitors who attempted to co-opt the democratic process while aligning themselves with a nation state that is our enemy. You know all of this and came here to argue in bad faith. I'm not commenting to reply to you, but merely to expose the lie of omission contained in your comment. I see more and more obvious astro-turfing here, mainly for these factually unsupported, and frankly insulting to anyone who has done a modicum of research, talking points. I don't want to discus politics on this site, I hate that I have been goaded into replying to a bad faith comment but if no one corrects the record and a lie is shouted long enough and loud enough it becomes something that people believe.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Actually lots of uninformed people have denied that, because their only source of information were corporations and politicians who deliberately mislead them about the children in cages thing. Others did begrudgingly admit it but then claimed that didn't matter because Obama is not president anymore, Trump is. They don't seem to be all that interested in children in cages anymore. No doubt it'll conveniently become a problem again in a few years time.
  - post_from_work 5y ago
    >>>Giving away children with no paper trail to christian adoption agencies is abhorrent in the extreme. Children with "no paper trail" often a) aren't with their own parents b) aren't there by choice. Why would you classify an adoption agency, which might try to place them with a loving family, as "abhorrent"? https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-strangers-children-border-littlest-immigrants-left-hands-smugglers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-stran... (paywalled) https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180508-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180... >>>Purposefully worsening conditions punitively in regard to food, sanitation, and medical care rather than housing people temporarily and humanely should not be policy. Locking people up with no means of redress for extended periods of time is also criminal, All of that is pretty much "situation normal" for pending deportees here in Japan. https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190709/p2a/00m/0fe/012000c https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190709/p2a/00m/0fe/01... In my experience, the perception among successful foreign immigrants here is "Do things the right way and this almost certainly will never be a risk for you. Insist on breaking the laws and you will get ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED. This isn't nice, but it is just." >>>That does not mean I'm willing to support traitors who attempted to co-opt the democratic process while aligning themselves with a nation state that is our enemy. You're right, you should give no quarter to those in our halls of power who have aligned themselves with China. Russia: 150 million people, $4 trillion GDP, primary threat vectors are against globally-irrelevant Eastern European states China: 1.3 billion people, $20 trillion GDP, primary threat vector is against the lynchpin of the world's semiconductor industry If half of our elites are in bed with Russia, and half are in bed with China....shouldn't we be focusing more energy on extirpating the ones aligned with the more dangerous threat?

mc32 5y ago

The generals wanted to keep their wars going and they wanted to maintain foreign presence or increase them. They wanted to have a say in just about every conflict that goes on. Trump wanted to get out of that business. He also thought it was time to reform NATO. He also thought he could appease them by increasing their budget and creating a space force. Never the less, they kept sniping and undermining him. Congress of course, despite lack of evidence continually wanted to impeach him over collusion with Russia and so on. Do yeah I think the establishment hated him just as much because he didn’t go along with their historical agenda.