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Google cannot do anything except search and ads. Every other project they did was a failure. I have absolutely zero trust in any new product they release.

dougmwne 5y ago
Recently moved from more than a decade on Android to iPhone. Once the Stockholm syndrome wore off I realized how pathetically behind they are on mobile.
- jorl17 5y ago
  Hi! I'm a very happy iPhone user (and Mac + Apple Watch + AirPods, you name it...), but I'm surprised by your comment....could you elaborate? In what way do you think that google is pathetically behind? I've always seen it as just a different ecosystem with different ideas. I look forward to reading what you have to say!!
  - dougmwne 5y ago
    In short, android is a laggy mess. I was so used to it I stopped noticing. Lag while scrolling, lag while switching apps, lag while typing. The UI is also unpolished, and again I was so used to it I didn’t see it. On switching to iPhone, the SE, not a flagship 12 or 13, I realized that nearly every touch had an instant response. The UI also has very fine tuned visual and haptic feedback and overall polish and consistency. I still have my last flagship Moto and the moment I used it again I realized I had a 20% failure rate on UI actions like app switching because they were just badly designed. And lastly, the hardware is just top notch for a midrange phone, excellent camera and the very fast soc loads complex websites near instantly in a way I’ve never seen another phone or even windows laptop do. Android and iOS may do the same things, but iOS runs circles around Android while doing it. This is the premiere product of a trillion dollar company and it absolutely shows. I had some weird Google loyalty from the good old days. I can’t believe i suffered on their second rate platform for so long. I’m currently still suffering on Voice and Gmail and should probably completely move on. I should probably go ahead and buy one of these M1 MacBooks people have been talking about too.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    I own Android devices, but also deal with iOS at work. Basically the way they screwed Java developers with their pseudo compatible implementation, an horrible NDK experience, even after 10 years the best you can do to interop between userspace and NDK is via JNI code that you have to write yourself. Given that they created their own pseudo Java, they could have also created something else other than JNI for Dalvik/ART, but no they didn't. While Apple provides a full stack development experience, on Android you usually have to go fetch Java, C and C++ libraries to gain productivity back on top of the bare bone APIs that Google provides. The whole Jetpack libraries effort only started after several years of complaints, it took them until 2020 to finally release a game developers SDK (which is a joke versus something like Sprite/SceneKit). If iOS and Android were Linux desktops, with iOS you get XFCE/GNOME/KDE dev experience, while Android you are looking forward to something like fvwm instead.
cwkoss 5y ago
I'd add email. But your overall point stands.

dougmwne 5y ago

Recently moved from more than a decade on Android to iPhone. Once the Stockholm syndrome wore off I realized how pathetically behind they are on mobile.

jorl17 5y ago
Hi! I'm a very happy iPhone user (and Mac + Apple Watch + AirPods, you name it...), but I'm surprised by your comment....could you elaborate? In what way do you think that google is pathetically behind? I've always seen it as just a different ecosystem with different ideas. I look forward to reading what you have to say!!
- dougmwne 5y ago
  In short, android is a laggy mess. I was so used to it I stopped noticing. Lag while scrolling, lag while switching apps, lag while typing. The UI is also unpolished, and again I was so used to it I didn’t see it. On switching to iPhone, the SE, not a flagship 12 or 13, I realized that nearly every touch had an instant response. The UI also has very fine tuned visual and haptic feedback and overall polish and consistency. I still have my last flagship Moto and the moment I used it again I realized I had a 20% failure rate on UI actions like app switching because they were just badly designed. And lastly, the hardware is just top notch for a midrange phone, excellent camera and the very fast soc loads complex websites near instantly in a way I’ve never seen another phone or even windows laptop do. Android and iOS may do the same things, but iOS runs circles around Android while doing it. This is the premiere product of a trillion dollar company and it absolutely shows. I had some weird Google loyalty from the good old days. I can’t believe i suffered on their second rate platform for so long. I’m currently still suffering on Voice and Gmail and should probably completely move on. I should probably go ahead and buy one of these M1 MacBooks people have been talking about too.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  I own Android devices, but also deal with iOS at work. Basically the way they screwed Java developers with their pseudo compatible implementation, an horrible NDK experience, even after 10 years the best you can do to interop between userspace and NDK is via JNI code that you have to write yourself. Given that they created their own pseudo Java, they could have also created something else other than JNI for Dalvik/ART, but no they didn't. While Apple provides a full stack development experience, on Android you usually have to go fetch Java, C and C++ libraries to gain productivity back on top of the bare bone APIs that Google provides. The whole Jetpack libraries effort only started after several years of complaints, it took them until 2020 to finally release a game developers SDK (which is a joke versus something like Sprite/SceneKit). If iOS and Android were Linux desktops, with iOS you get XFCE/GNOME/KDE dev experience, while Android you are looking forward to something like fvwm instead.

cwkoss 5y ago

I'd add email. But your overall point stands.