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I think they're referring to this: https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/ h

I think they're referring to this: https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/ https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-... I tried to read through the court doc [1] linked by the site to find the 75 years but the legalese is beyond me. 1: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21150416/fda-brief.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21150416/fda-brief.pd...

unvaxxdhaha 5y ago
https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Second-Joint-Status-Report-8989f1fed17e2d919391d8df1978006e.pdf https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Secon...
jcranmer 5y ago
Scanning quickly, it seems that the "75 years" is based on calculating "this is how many pages of documents that have been requested" and "this is the minimum production rate we can sustain [for this individual FOIA request, noting that there are ~400 other FOIA requests also pending]". The FOIA request apparently consists of 329k pages, and the production rate is 500 pages/month, and dividing the two numbers indicates the "55 year" rate that was originally suggested. I didn't continue to see where the numbers for the 75 year revision comes from, but that gives you the general picture.
14 5y ago
Wow. Talk about a great way to fuel a conspiracy theory. Why could they possibly want to wait 75 years to release data on covid? Surely other nations are going to release independent data on the findings?
- jcranmer 5y ago
  It's because the people who are saying that the FDA needs to wait 75 years to release the vaccine data are at best writing statements that are misleading and at worst outright lying. The implication of that statement is that the FDA isn't going to release one iota of data for 75 years. That isn't anywhere close to the truth. What happened instead is that there's a court battle going on over a FOIA request against the FDA. The FDA is swamped with FOIA requests (it has ~400 pending right now), and the FOIA request in question asked for a gargantuan grab-bag data--over 300k pages of data. Redacting responses to FOIA requests takes time, and the FDA was proposing to drop ~12k pages by the end of the year, and then no fewer than 500 pages per month. It should be noted that the FDA's comment that it takes ~8 minutes to redact a single page for production, which is not unreasonable. So at a guesstimate, that's 20 man-years of effort to redact the response to this FOIA request. Maybe if you want to get your request finished in a reasonable amount of time, you should ask for something more than specific than literally everything the FDA has on the topic... or maybe instead the government's hiding something because it can't get it done by like tomorrow or something.
  - 14 5y ago
    Honest question why do they have to redact anything? Like what information is redacted? Why can’t they just hand over whatever they have? Is there something secret they are trying to protect? Honest question thanks

unvaxxdhaha 5y ago

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Second-Joint-Status-Report-8989f1fed17e2d919391d8df1978006e.pdf https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Secon...

jcranmer 5y ago

Scanning quickly, it seems that the "75 years" is based on calculating "this is how many pages of documents that have been requested" and "this is the minimum production rate we can sustain [for this individual FOIA request, noting that there are ~400 other FOIA requests also pending]". The FOIA request apparently consists of 329k pages, and the production rate is 500 pages/month, and dividing the two numbers indicates the "55 year" rate that was originally suggested. I didn't continue to see where the numbers for the 75 year revision comes from, but that gives you the general picture.

14 5y ago

Wow. Talk about a great way to fuel a conspiracy theory. Why could they possibly want to wait 75 years to release data on covid? Surely other nations are going to release independent data on the findings?

jcranmer 5y ago
It's because the people who are saying that the FDA needs to wait 75 years to release the vaccine data are at best writing statements that are misleading and at worst outright lying. The implication of that statement is that the FDA isn't going to release one iota of data for 75 years. That isn't anywhere close to the truth. What happened instead is that there's a court battle going on over a FOIA request against the FDA. The FDA is swamped with FOIA requests (it has ~400 pending right now), and the FOIA request in question asked for a gargantuan grab-bag data--over 300k pages of data. Redacting responses to FOIA requests takes time, and the FDA was proposing to drop ~12k pages by the end of the year, and then no fewer than 500 pages per month. It should be noted that the FDA's comment that it takes ~8 minutes to redact a single page for production, which is not unreasonable. So at a guesstimate, that's 20 man-years of effort to redact the response to this FOIA request. Maybe if you want to get your request finished in a reasonable amount of time, you should ask for something more than specific than literally everything the FDA has on the topic... or maybe instead the government's hiding something because it can't get it done by like tomorrow or something.
- 14 5y ago
  Honest question why do they have to redact anything? Like what information is redacted? Why can’t they just hand over whatever they have? Is there something secret they are trying to protect? Honest question thanks