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> perfectly plausible deniability The paranoid dystopian counterpart is that you cannot prove you don't have a second partition either. Might get awkward if so

> perfectly plausible deniability The paranoid dystopian counterpart is that you cannot prove you don't have a second partition either. Might get awkward if someone decided to compel the second password on less solid evidence. If you're not actually using the feature.

detaro 5y ago
There was a case here in Germany where the police report revealed that they apparently spent a lot of time looking for evidence of a hidden partition/encrypted data etc because a PC owned by single man with zero evidence of porn was unusual. (but didn't find anything in the end, and didn't claim anything they didn't have evidence for)
arpa 5y ago
this is why you should actually have "signs of life" and something _slightly_ illegal on your plausible deniability partition. Just enough dirt to get you into trouble, but not too much trouble. If you're squeeky clean, you get the rubber hose cryptography treatment.
- Someone 5y ago
  If you want those signs of life to be convincing, it should include all kinds of history without long gaps, such as: - email, including recently received and sent emails - web browser history - system logs - software updates In practice, I think it’s impossible to do that. If the police discovers, for example, that your system logs show your machine was off for a week, but they also just saw you reset it, what do you tell them?
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>but they also just saw you reset it, what do you tell them? That you're not a computer expert and have no idea why your computer wasn't keeping logs correctly?
    - arpa 5y ago
      not an expert, yet you set up an encrypted partition?
      - gambiting 5y ago
        Yeah, there was a tutorial online. Thought it was a good idea in case my laptop got stolen. Don't need to be an expert to click through an automated wizard, do I?
        arpa 5y ago
        "rubberhose him just to be sure"
  - arpa 5y ago
    this is a real problem, yes; i find encrypted volume in swap partition actually provides better plausible deniability. "I was told it should be 2x the size of RAM," - says a guy with 512G of ram and swapoff.
- fencepost 5y ago
  Ah, the magical porn partition. Level of kink up to you.

detaro 5y ago

There was a case here in Germany where the police report revealed that they apparently spent a lot of time looking for evidence of a hidden partition/encrypted data etc because a PC owned by single man with zero evidence of porn was unusual. (but didn't find anything in the end, and didn't claim anything they didn't have evidence for)

arpa 5y ago

this is why you should actually have "signs of life" and something _slightly_ illegal on your plausible deniability partition. Just enough dirt to get you into trouble, but not too much trouble. If you're squeeky clean, you get the rubber hose cryptography treatment.

Someone 5y ago
If you want those signs of life to be convincing, it should include all kinds of history without long gaps, such as: - email, including recently received and sent emails - web browser history - system logs - software updates In practice, I think it’s impossible to do that. If the police discovers, for example, that your system logs show your machine was off for a week, but they also just saw you reset it, what do you tell them?
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>but they also just saw you reset it, what do you tell them? That you're not a computer expert and have no idea why your computer wasn't keeping logs correctly?
  - arpa 5y ago
    not an expert, yet you set up an encrypted partition?
    - gambiting 5y ago
      Yeah, there was a tutorial online. Thought it was a good idea in case my laptop got stolen. Don't need to be an expert to click through an automated wizard, do I?
      - arpa 5y ago
        "rubberhose him just to be sure"
- arpa 5y ago
  this is a real problem, yes; i find encrypted volume in swap partition actually provides better plausible deniability. "I was told it should be 2x the size of RAM," - says a guy with 512G of ram and swapoff.
fencepost 5y ago
Ah, the magical porn partition. Level of kink up to you.