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Okay, I thought about it for 5 seconds… Hasn’t it always been the case that younger people vaccinate to help keep the older protected? Also, you don’t need to

by ecf 5y ago

Okay, I thought about it for 5 seconds… Hasn’t it always been the case that younger people vaccinate to help keep the older protected? Also, you don’t need to die of Covid to be placed in a hospital. Fewer available beds affects everyone.

disambiguation 5y ago
> Hasn’t it always been the case that younger people vaccinate to help keep the older protected? No, polio for example. > Also, you don’t need to die of Covid to be placed in a hospital. Fewer available beds affects everyone. "Collective ownership and harm" is not an unrestricted pass for universal mandates. Everything is connected, every action you take affects someone else. Driving for example puts everyone at risk. Not just on the road but also carbon emissions. Where do we draw the line? Wherever the line is, it should be data driven. Just like mortality, hospitalizations are strongly skewed by age. https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizations https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboa... According to Ohio data, people under 50 (2/3 of the population) account for ~20% of covid-related hospitalizations. Consider also the data towards the bottom: Total bed capacity. Out of 100% capacity, 63% are non-covid patients, and 18% are covid related. If we apply our 20% hospitalization rate to 18% covid beds, we get.. 4%. 4% of total beds will be occupied by people with covid under 50. Is 4% the difference between collapse or not? This number could double, or even triple, and we would still have over 10% of beds available. There was a time and place when there was a real risk of disaster. We did our lockdowns, our social distancing, and we vaccinated a ton of people. Now it's time to start thinking about moving past covid, and getting back to normal life.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Now it's time to start thinking about moving past covid No, no it is not yet. I am referring to Covid-19-Omicron: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59677070 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59677070 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/dec/15/uk-covid-live-news-coronavirus-omicron-boosters-vaccines-christmas-boris-johnson-latest-updates https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/dec/15/uk-cov... https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-big-numbers-of-coronavirus-patients-in-hospital-after-christmas-due-to-phenomenal-omicron-spread-warns-whitty-12496558 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-big-numbers-of-coronavir... If you're not in the UK, then congratulations, you have time, days to weeks, before this comes your way.
  - disambiguation 5y ago
    I'm in NYC, omicron is here too. I think you and I just fundamentally see the world differently, so I'll just cut to the chase of how I see omicron, because I'm sure you see it the exact opposite way. From what I've learned about omicron so far, it A. transmits very fast B. has high immune escape, and C. has a low incidence of severe outcome relative to other variants. To me this sounds like a good thing as far as ending the pandemic goes. We want a highly transmissible, benign variant, agreed?

by ecf 5y ago

disambiguation 5y ago

> Hasn’t it always been the case that younger people vaccinate to help keep the older protected? No, polio for example. > Also, you don’t need to die of Covid to be placed in a hospital. Fewer available beds affects everyone. "Collective ownership and harm" is not an unrestricted pass for universal mandates. Everything is connected, every action you take affects someone else. Driving for example puts everyone at risk. Not just on the road but also carbon emissions. Where do we draw the line? Wherever the line is, it should be data driven. Just like mortality, hospitalizations are strongly skewed by age. https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizations https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboa... According to Ohio data, people under 50 (2/3 of the population) account for ~20% of covid-related hospitalizations. Consider also the data towards the bottom: Total bed capacity. Out of 100% capacity, 63% are non-covid patients, and 18% are covid related. If we apply our 20% hospitalization rate to 18% covid beds, we get.. 4%. 4% of total beds will be occupied by people with covid under 50. Is 4% the difference between collapse or not? This number could double, or even triple, and we would still have over 10% of beds available. There was a time and place when there was a real risk of disaster. We did our lockdowns, our social distancing, and we vaccinated a ton of people. Now it's time to start thinking about moving past covid, and getting back to normal life.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> Now it's time to start thinking about moving past covid No, no it is not yet. I am referring to Covid-19-Omicron: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59677070 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59677070 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/dec/15/uk-covid-live-news-coronavirus-omicron-boosters-vaccines-christmas-boris-johnson-latest-updates https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/dec/15/uk-cov... https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-big-numbers-of-coronavirus-patients-in-hospital-after-christmas-due-to-phenomenal-omicron-spread-warns-whitty-12496558 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-big-numbers-of-coronavir... If you're not in the UK, then congratulations, you have time, days to weeks, before this comes your way.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  I'm in NYC, omicron is here too. I think you and I just fundamentally see the world differently, so I'll just cut to the chase of how I see omicron, because I'm sure you see it the exact opposite way. From what I've learned about omicron so far, it A. transmits very fast B. has high immune escape, and C. has a low incidence of severe outcome relative to other variants. To me this sounds like a good thing as far as ending the pandemic goes. We want a highly transmissible, benign variant, agreed?