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> The CSAM thing was the final straw for me with Apple. A final straw which never actually happened. They in fact listened to users saying how unpopular this

by zepto 5y ago

> The CSAM thing was the final straw for me with Apple. A final straw which never actually happened. They in fact listened to users saying how unpopular this would be, and changed course. > I'm just describing what I've done in response to the changes in how Apple has chosen to treat their users. No, you are describing what you’ve done in response to a demonstrably false belief about how Apple has chosen to treat their users.

smoldesu 5y ago
> “Update: Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer told The Verge that though the CSAM detection feature is no longer mentioned on its website, plans for CSAM detection have not changed since September, which means CSAM detection is still coming in the future.” It's still coming.
- zepto 5y ago
  Is it? What makes you think that? Edit: Please don’t retroactively edit your comment to make the comment that follows it look misplaced. It is a dishonest tactic that makes you look like a bad faith commenter. Who can trust that anything you have written hasn’t been altered after the fact? There is no reason you couldn’t have included that quote as a reply to my question instead of silently editing it in to make it look as if it has always been there.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I'm not sure why you're flying off the handle when I'm quite obviously not the poster above. I have no intentions of re-formatting my comments here, just informing you of the status quo right now. > Is it? What makes you think that? The Verge reached out to Apple[0] and Apple confirmed that their CSAM scanning feature is still coming. > When reached for comment, Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer said that the company’s position hasn’t changed since September, when it first announced it would be delaying the launch of the CSAM detection. “Based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers, and others, we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features,” the company’s September statement read. So yes, they still fully intend to push the update. You should probably take this less personally too, your arguments are only suffering by attacking people who are just trying to chip in their two cents. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/15/22837631/apple-csam-detection-child-safety-feature-webpage-removal-delay https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/15/22837631/apple-csam-dete...
    - zepto 5y ago
      > I'm quite obviously not the poster above. You are in fact the one who dishonestly edited your comment. That’s what I was pointing out, and it was you and not the commenter before that I was replying to. We can see your name. Trying to pretend otherwise is either delusion, or more dishonesty. I agree that the update provided by the verge suggests that apple has not abandoned this plan yet.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        What are you even talking about? Can you provide me a link to the specific comment that I had modified here? I'm genuinely lost. In any case, that's not a refutation or response to the link I sent.
        zepto 5y ago
        Here is the comment you edited after I asked the question in the comment that follows it. When you first posted it you didn’t provide a quote. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569282 I don’t need to refute your response. In fact after seeing the update I agree that CSAM is not yet defeated. That doesn’t change the fact that your commenting tactics are dishonest. That is the problem here. You cannot be trusted not to edit upthread comments.
        smoldesu 5y ago
        At no point did I ever edit that comment. It's contents were, since the time of posting, a quote and simply "It's still coming." I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. This is either an extremely confusing attempt to gaslight me or you're mistaking me for someone else. In any case, I don't really know what else to add here. Do you remember what was supposedly the original contents of this comment? We're really getting nowhere here pointing fingers.
        zepto 5y ago

by zepto 5y ago

smoldesu 5y ago

> “Update: Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer told The Verge that though the CSAM detection feature is no longer mentioned on its website, plans for CSAM detection have not changed since September, which means CSAM detection is still coming in the future.” It's still coming.

zepto 5y ago
Is it? What makes you think that? Edit: Please don’t retroactively edit your comment to make the comment that follows it look misplaced. It is a dishonest tactic that makes you look like a bad faith commenter. Who can trust that anything you have written hasn’t been altered after the fact? There is no reason you couldn’t have included that quote as a reply to my question instead of silently editing it in to make it look as if it has always been there.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I'm not sure why you're flying off the handle when I'm quite obviously not the poster above. I have no intentions of re-formatting my comments here, just informing you of the status quo right now. > Is it? What makes you think that? The Verge reached out to Apple[0] and Apple confirmed that their CSAM scanning feature is still coming. > When reached for comment, Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer said that the company’s position hasn’t changed since September, when it first announced it would be delaying the launch of the CSAM detection. “Based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers, and others, we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features,” the company’s September statement read. So yes, they still fully intend to push the update. You should probably take this less personally too, your arguments are only suffering by attacking people who are just trying to chip in their two cents. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/15/22837631/apple-csam-detection-child-safety-feature-webpage-removal-delay https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/15/22837631/apple-csam-dete...
  - zepto 5y ago
    > I'm quite obviously not the poster above. You are in fact the one who dishonestly edited your comment. That’s what I was pointing out, and it was you and not the commenter before that I was replying to. We can see your name. Trying to pretend otherwise is either delusion, or more dishonesty. I agree that the update provided by the verge suggests that apple has not abandoned this plan yet.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      What are you even talking about? Can you provide me a link to the specific comment that I had modified here? I'm genuinely lost. In any case, that's not a refutation or response to the link I sent.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Here is the comment you edited after I asked the question in the comment that follows it. When you first posted it you didn’t provide a quote. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569282 I don’t need to refute your response. In fact after seeing the update I agree that CSAM is not yet defeated. That doesn’t change the fact that your commenting tactics are dishonest. That is the problem here. You cannot be trusted not to edit upthread comments.
        smoldesu 5y ago
        At no point did I ever edit that comment. It's contents were, since the time of posting, a quote and simply "It's still coming." I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. This is either an extremely confusing attempt to gaslight me or you're mistaking me for someone else. In any case, I don't really know what else to add here. Do you remember what was supposedly the original contents of this comment? We're really getting nowhere here pointing fingers.
        zepto 5y ago