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> In Italy the 15 wait is done in an additional room where people are just "asked" to stay at the end of the process. Same as the UK until this change. > I ca

> In Italy the 15 wait is done in an additional room where people are just "asked" to stay at the end of the process. Same as the UK until this change. > I can't see how a wait at the end of the process could reduce throughput by 23%. Because there are vaccination centres where the capacity of the waiting room at the end is the limiting factor. > This looks like the next UK mismanagement of the pandemic. There we are, the rest of your argument was just pretext for some racism.

antirez 5y ago
Well, given I share the same "race" of most UK people (I'm a while Italian), I guess it's not racism. Just the UK government didn't handle it very well in my opinion. For instance now they want a new lockdown after months where everything was possible without any care. And this is just the last data point. Removing the wait is another instance of a not very focused mindset in dealing with the pandemic. That the final stage of waiting slows down you 23% is very unlikely under a bit less rigid parameters. You can say: sit if there are sits, otherwise if you can wait staying on your feet, and as 3rd option wait in your car in the vicinity. To remove the wait looks like nonsense: an illusion of pragmatism. Now, since many other things the UK government did looked like nonsense, including the first idea of going for herd immunity, you have to admit that another nonsense is not completely improbable.
- _Wintermute 5y ago
  I'm not sure where you're getting your information about what and how the UK is dealing with the pandemic, but I suggest you change your sources. Especially as the UK has fewer deaths per 1000 than Italy, while having greater population density and being an international travel hub. > For instance now they want a new lockdown Do they? There's plenty of outside advisors suggesting a lockdown would bring down cases, it's the government themselves who are resisting this. > including the first idea of going for herd immunity Source? Stop reading nonsense. We had multiple lockdowns, and then we had extremely rapid vaccine rollout. None of that points to aiming for herd immunity through infections. > That the final stage of waiting slows down you 23% is very unlikely under a bit less rigid parameters. You should tell them this, I'm sure the NHS and UKHSA would love to see what data you have that they don't.
  - antirez 5y ago
    > 65 yo population in Italy is 22.8 vs UK 18.4. Most people dying are the old ones so you'll see more death in countries with older population, in general. Moreover the way we count covid victims in Italy is to count every death even when the covid was a minor co-factor. For instance an 80 yo with several chronic disease and cancer dies and is positive to covid as well? It is counted as covid death here, inflating the stats. About the other statements, if you think UK did a good job with covid, well, I'm happy you trust your government actions. Live long and prosper btw.
lamontcg 5y ago
> There we are, the rest of your argument was just pretext for some racism. It isn't racist to criticize the actions of governments.
- _Wintermute 5y ago
  Discounting something simply because of the country it came from is, in my book.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    That is just a way to deflect any criticism of your government. I don't go running around claiming that any foreign criticism of the Trump or Biden administrations is racist against Americans, that would be absurd.

antirez 5y ago

Well, given I share the same "race" of most UK people (I'm a while Italian), I guess it's not racism. Just the UK government didn't handle it very well in my opinion. For instance now they want a new lockdown after months where everything was possible without any care. And this is just the last data point. Removing the wait is another instance of a not very focused mindset in dealing with the pandemic. That the final stage of waiting slows down you 23% is very unlikely under a bit less rigid parameters. You can say: sit if there are sits, otherwise if you can wait staying on your feet, and as 3rd option wait in your car in the vicinity. To remove the wait looks like nonsense: an illusion of pragmatism. Now, since many other things the UK government did looked like nonsense, including the first idea of going for herd immunity, you have to admit that another nonsense is not completely improbable.

_Wintermute 5y ago
I'm not sure where you're getting your information about what and how the UK is dealing with the pandemic, but I suggest you change your sources. Especially as the UK has fewer deaths per 1000 than Italy, while having greater population density and being an international travel hub. > For instance now they want a new lockdown Do they? There's plenty of outside advisors suggesting a lockdown would bring down cases, it's the government themselves who are resisting this. > including the first idea of going for herd immunity Source? Stop reading nonsense. We had multiple lockdowns, and then we had extremely rapid vaccine rollout. None of that points to aiming for herd immunity through infections. > That the final stage of waiting slows down you 23% is very unlikely under a bit less rigid parameters. You should tell them this, I'm sure the NHS and UKHSA would love to see what data you have that they don't.
- antirez 5y ago
  > 65 yo population in Italy is 22.8 vs UK 18.4. Most people dying are the old ones so you'll see more death in countries with older population, in general. Moreover the way we count covid victims in Italy is to count every death even when the covid was a minor co-factor. For instance an 80 yo with several chronic disease and cancer dies and is positive to covid as well? It is counted as covid death here, inflating the stats. About the other statements, if you think UK did a good job with covid, well, I'm happy you trust your government actions. Live long and prosper btw.

lamontcg 5y ago

> There we are, the rest of your argument was just pretext for some racism. It isn't racist to criticize the actions of governments.

_Wintermute 5y ago
Discounting something simply because of the country it came from is, in my book.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  That is just a way to deflect any criticism of your government. I don't go running around claiming that any foreign criticism of the Trump or Biden administrations is racist against Americans, that would be absurd.