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>No one's lives have been ruined by this This is a strong claim with zero evidence. The social costs of defending an accused perpetrator of this nature are ins

by zionic 5y ago

>No one's lives have been ruined by this This is a strong claim with zero evidence. The social costs of defending an accused perpetrator of this nature are insanely high. While we're making unsubstantiated claims, I assert that intelligence agencies routinely exploit this. My only substantiation is that it's obvious and I would if I worked for them.

sweetheart 5y ago
We have literally no reason to think it's an issue. The burden of proof is on those who believe its a threat, not those who believe it isn't.
- zionic 5y ago
  "Burden of proof"? Seems like it's pretty hard to prove what intelligence agencies are doing. Also, there's the fun "you can't sue us because you have no standing/can't show harm, and showing harm to prove you have standing would be illegal".
  - sweetheart 5y ago
    > "Burden of proof"? Yes, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
yunesj 5y ago
Ian Freemen is a controversial political activist whose pro-liberty, pro-bitcoin radio station was raided by the FBI in 2016 and had their equipment confiscated. It was widely covered in the news, he was kicked out of at least one community organization, and last I heard, they still didn't have all their equipment back. No charges were ever filed, and the media outlets didn't bother to update their articles. I think false accusations happen, especially to controversial figures, and assume most victims just don't want to call much attention to it.
- kemayo 5y ago
  Isn't this a separate issue to the one the grandparent was complaining about? I can't see anything about child porn related to this person, just a lot of talk about money laundering. Also, are you sure there were no charges filed? Some cursory googling turns up articles including a PDF of the indictment [1] and more-recent articles seem to refer to an ongoing process [2]. [1]: https://manchesterinklink.com/fbi-descends-on-keene-and-surrounding-areas-as-part-of-ongoing-federal-investigation/ https://manchesterinklink.com/fbi-descends-on-keene-and-surr... [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/bitcoin-ian-freeman-fbi-doj.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/bitcoin-ian-freeman-...

by zionic 5y ago

sweetheart 5y ago

We have literally no reason to think it's an issue. The burden of proof is on those who believe its a threat, not those who believe it isn't.

zionic 5y ago
"Burden of proof"? Seems like it's pretty hard to prove what intelligence agencies are doing. Also, there's the fun "you can't sue us because you have no standing/can't show harm, and showing harm to prove you have standing would be illegal".
- sweetheart 5y ago
  > "Burden of proof"? Yes, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

yunesj 5y ago

Ian Freemen is a controversial political activist whose pro-liberty, pro-bitcoin radio station was raided by the FBI in 2016 and had their equipment confiscated. It was widely covered in the news, he was kicked out of at least one community organization, and last I heard, they still didn't have all their equipment back. No charges were ever filed, and the media outlets didn't bother to update their articles. I think false accusations happen, especially to controversial figures, and assume most victims just don't want to call much attention to it.

kemayo 5y ago
Isn't this a separate issue to the one the grandparent was complaining about? I can't see anything about child porn related to this person, just a lot of talk about money laundering. Also, are you sure there were no charges filed? Some cursory googling turns up articles including a PDF of the indictment [1] and more-recent articles seem to refer to an ongoing process [2]. [1]: https://manchesterinklink.com/fbi-descends-on-keene-and-surrounding-areas-as-part-of-ongoing-federal-investigation/ https://manchesterinklink.com/fbi-descends-on-keene-and-surr... [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/bitcoin-ian-freeman-fbi-doj.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/bitcoin-ian-freeman-...