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I am not what you would call an Apple fan still I bought a Macbook Air M1 with 16Gb of RAM in France for around 1200€ a couple of months ago (to replace an earl

I am not what you would call an Apple fan still I bought a Macbook Air M1 with 16Gb of RAM in France for around 1200€ a couple of months ago (to replace an early 2011 Macbook Pro - I don't change my personal laptop often). While I would never buy a Macbook Pro, I think the Air pricing was fine. The price is pretty close to other ultraportables, performances are very good, battery life is incredible, the screen is beautiful and I don't mind paying a small premium for a sleek design and good quality control. I don't feel like I wasted my money.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
I'm looking at prices on the French Apple website and it says 7 cores GPU / 16GB RAM / 256GB SSD 1.359 euros https://i.imgur.com/udZSqAz.png https://i.imgur.com/udZSqAz.png 8 core GPU / 16GB RAM / 512GB SSD 1.629 euros https://i.imgur.com/QacUu2X.png https://i.imgur.com/QacUu2X.png I'm not saying it isn't the price people will pay, I'm only saying it's a price point that will convince people to upgrade, but won't allow Apple market to expand in a meaningful way. Apple had already a boom years ago, I still remember Peter Jackson editing LOTR on set with his MacBook Pro + Final cut. Then Apple stagnated and studios replaced their Macs with PCs. Now maybe they will buy Macs again, it's a cycle, it's the same market shrinking a little and expanding a little over time. Pro Macs are not iPhones, there are countless alternatives.
- WastingMyTime89 5y ago
  It's not interesting to buy these laptops straight from Apple. Large national resellers like Darty or Fnac offer better services and discount them very often. > Pro Macs are not iPhones, there are countless alternatives. I have a very different reading of the market. I don't think iPhones are priced competitively. They are not really better than Android phones which are far cheaper. That's why they have such a ridiculously low market share in Europe. The Macbook Air is competitively priced however. Its price is in line with the rest of the market and it is a good cost to value offered proposition.
  - dagw 5y ago
    That's why they have such a ridiculously low market share in Europe. Phone market share in Europe[1]: Apple 35.42% Samsung 30.81% Xiaomi 11.71% edit: some other sources have it Samsung 32%, Apple 28% and yet others Samsung: 30% and Apple: 22%, but either way hardly "ridiculously low" [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe
    - WastingMyTime89 5y ago
      Statcounter is not really a serious source for market share. Both Counterpoint Research and Strategy Analytics give Apple a more credible 20% market share in Europe behind Samsung and Xiaomi. It's not disastrous but it compares poorly to the between 55% and 65% of the USA market.
      - kaba0 5y ago
        Well, it is a domestic product there (at least the HQ is US). Also, Eastern Europe probably worsens the percentages a bit because it is ridiculously expensive for us (like, there was a statistic recently on how many days one would have to work to buy the latest iphone and it was quite tragic from our perspective with something like more than 2 months worth of salary, while it is a few days in other countries)

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

I'm looking at prices on the French Apple website and it says 7 cores GPU / 16GB RAM / 256GB SSD 1.359 euros https://i.imgur.com/udZSqAz.png https://i.imgur.com/udZSqAz.png 8 core GPU / 16GB RAM / 512GB SSD 1.629 euros https://i.imgur.com/QacUu2X.png https://i.imgur.com/QacUu2X.png I'm not saying it isn't the price people will pay, I'm only saying it's a price point that will convince people to upgrade, but won't allow Apple market to expand in a meaningful way. Apple had already a boom years ago, I still remember Peter Jackson editing LOTR on set with his MacBook Pro + Final cut. Then Apple stagnated and studios replaced their Macs with PCs. Now maybe they will buy Macs again, it's a cycle, it's the same market shrinking a little and expanding a little over time. Pro Macs are not iPhones, there are countless alternatives.

WastingMyTime89 5y ago
It's not interesting to buy these laptops straight from Apple. Large national resellers like Darty or Fnac offer better services and discount them very often. > Pro Macs are not iPhones, there are countless alternatives. I have a very different reading of the market. I don't think iPhones are priced competitively. They are not really better than Android phones which are far cheaper. That's why they have such a ridiculously low market share in Europe. The Macbook Air is competitively priced however. Its price is in line with the rest of the market and it is a good cost to value offered proposition.
- dagw 5y ago
  That's why they have such a ridiculously low market share in Europe. Phone market share in Europe[1]: Apple 35.42% Samsung 30.81% Xiaomi 11.71% edit: some other sources have it Samsung 32%, Apple 28% and yet others Samsung: 30% and Apple: 22%, but either way hardly "ridiculously low" [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe
  - WastingMyTime89 5y ago
    Statcounter is not really a serious source for market share. Both Counterpoint Research and Strategy Analytics give Apple a more credible 20% market share in Europe behind Samsung and Xiaomi. It's not disastrous but it compares poorly to the between 55% and 65% of the USA market.
    - kaba0 5y ago
      Well, it is a domestic product there (at least the HQ is US). Also, Eastern Europe probably worsens the percentages a bit because it is ridiculously expensive for us (like, there was a statistic recently on how many days one would have to work to buy the latest iphone and it was quite tragic from our perspective with something like more than 2 months worth of salary, while it is a few days in other countries)