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Counterpoint: life in communist countries is not known for being "not miserable".

by snth 5y ago

mojuba 5y ago
That's the most irrelevant counterpoint that can be made here. "Communist" states were also totalitarian, i.e. undemocratic and that was the main reason for their ultimate failure. With democracy they'd be able to self-correct and likely switch to free[er] markets for example. Consumer software and Internet are probably the least regulated areas of engineering today, that's the problem. Compare that to aerospace, construction, etc. Regulation though is not part of the free market capitalism paradigm, it's the prerogative of democracy.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  > Regulation though is not part of the free market capitalism paradigm Who told you that? People like to simplify views and say that people are "anti-regulation", but really people are anti-poorly-thought-out-regulation. What famous capitalist do you know that argued theft for example should be unregulated?
  - mojuba 5y ago
    Show me a corporation that would whole heartedly support regulation of the market they're in.
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      Facebook[0]. Regulation could make it more difficult for competitors to get off the ground so they are in support of regulation to that effect. [0]https://about.facebook.com/regulations/ https://about.facebook.com/regulations/
      - mojuba 5y ago
        You bring one of the most hypocritical pages on the Internet as an example?
    - HeckFeck 5y ago
      Corporations also have the means and the connections to lobby the state, which ensures the regulations are more to their liking. All helping entrench the corporation. The effect is that small competitors are kept out. They can't afford legal departments and legions of developers to match the regulatory requirements. For now, the Internet is relatively unregulated, which allows alternative media and platforms to emerge. This is a good thing, imagine having just YouTube and Facebook forever.
      - mojuba 5y ago
        > Corporations also have the means and the connections to lobby the state, which ensures the regulations are more to their liking. I understand but under proper democracies regulations are something the society should benefit from in the first place.
- boppo1 5y ago
  What if they weren't democratic because Communism is incompatible with democracy

Counterpoint: life in communist countries is not known for being "not miserable".

by snth 5y ago

Counterpoint: life in communist countries is not known for being "not miserable".

That's the most irrelevant counterpoint that can be made here. "Communist" states were also totalitarian, i.e. undemocratic and that was the main reason for their ultimate failure. With democracy they'd be able to self-correct and likely switch to free[er] markets for example. Consumer software and Internet are probably the least regulated areas of engineering today, that's the problem. Compare that to aerospace, construction, etc. Regulation though is not part of the free market capitalism paradigm, it's the prerogative of democracy.

willcipriano 5y ago
> Regulation though is not part of the free market capitalism paradigm Who told you that? People like to simplify views and say that people are "anti-regulation", but really people are anti-poorly-thought-out-regulation. What famous capitalist do you know that argued theft for example should be unregulated?
- mojuba 5y ago
  Show me a corporation that would whole heartedly support regulation of the market they're in.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    Facebook[0]. Regulation could make it more difficult for competitors to get off the ground so they are in support of regulation to that effect. [0]https://about.facebook.com/regulations/ https://about.facebook.com/regulations/
    - mojuba 5y ago
      You bring one of the most hypocritical pages on the Internet as an example?
  - HeckFeck 5y ago
    Corporations also have the means and the connections to lobby the state, which ensures the regulations are more to their liking. All helping entrench the corporation. The effect is that small competitors are kept out. They can't afford legal departments and legions of developers to match the regulatory requirements. For now, the Internet is relatively unregulated, which allows alternative media and platforms to emerge. This is a good thing, imagine having just YouTube and Facebook forever.
    - mojuba 5y ago
      > Corporations also have the means and the connections to lobby the state, which ensures the regulations are more to their liking. I understand but under proper democracies regulations are something the society should benefit from in the first place.
boppo1 5y ago
What if they weren't democratic because Communism is incompatible with democracy