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Not a fan of Borris Johnson but I will give credit where it’s due. UK government has done far better job than in delivering boosters and vaccines. No need to ha

Not a fan of Borris Johnson but I will give credit where it’s due. UK government has done far better job than in delivering boosters and vaccines. No need to have derangement syndrome, I think more people we can get boosters the better off we are. His scandals and affairs are different issues.

arcticbull 5y ago
Bojo wasn't out there vaccinating people himself. That's the NHS that's been hauling ass. It's kind of their raison d'être. The political arm of the UK government's job ends at procurement.
- mercy_dude 5y ago
  OK but what’s your point then? His government says 15min wait isn’t necessary- you say he is trying to deflect his own personal scandals. His government supposedly does a decent job - you say it’s not his credit. At some point these derangement has to stop. Like I said I don’t like him or condone his scandals. But this has nothing to do with the original post saying 15min wait isn’t necessary. This is what happens when you watch 24/7 opinion media outlets that want to tie seemingly different things to satisfy their narratives.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    > His government says 15min wait isn’t necessary. I agree with that. > ... you say he is trying to deflect his own personal scandals. I didn't say that. > His government supposedly does a decent job - you say it’s not his credit. All I'm saying is that the credit is due to the NHS for executing on the vaccination campaign.
  - headmelted 5y ago
    To be fair to Boris, he at least seems to have some sense of the limit of his own knowledge. If Whitty and Valance tell him “this is what’s happening, and where we think it’s going” then it’s probably as much as you can expect to have him take the advice. Obviously we’ve no insight into what if any advice he refuses to take behind closed doors, but at least he’s taking it seriously. We hope. Based on the limited amount of information we’re given.
    - toyg 5y ago
      > it’s probably as much as you can expect to have him take the advice. Particularly considering that he didn't do it in early 2020, when it mattered the most.
      - headmelted 5y ago
        Indeed.
- amartin7889 5y ago
  If the Fed bought toxic assets from the banks under TARP at face value, and supplied them with cash to buy distressed assets from entities without access to that window, how could you possibly claim that it was a win for the US taxpayer?
chiefalchemist 5y ago
Once a politician, always a politician. The good politicians stay on the front foot (as they say in English football). The bad ones are always on their heals. You might believe these arw different issue. But if Boris is an on the front foot politician, rest assure he thinks (and acts) otherwise.
cjrp 5y ago
> UK government has done far better job than in delivering boosters and vaccines. Specifically the civil service and NHS
me_me_me 5y ago
Are you forgetting his stunts and commentary to downplay the vacinations/covid resulting in people not taking it seriously, low vaccinations and no lockdowns? They had highest deaths in EU as they failed to learn from Italy, who at the time was just recovering from first wave there. This is akin seeing someone drive fast loose control and smash into a tree, followed by 'hold my beer, i can go faster'
mdp2021 5y ago
> Not a fan ... but I will give credit where it’s due If you want to give credit, there are a number of actors, a number of facilitators, and a number of mostly spectators. You cannot immediately entail who did what, who is responsible, without knowing how the mechanism works (sometimes, without having information from the inside). Some careers are based on taking credit irregardless; some other surely must be linked to real merit... Do not jump from "John was in charge" to "John did it" (to define the actual role and impact of John means considering a complex system). About the specific context, I think there exist articles praising a number of key actors.
verytrivial 5y ago
There was a period towards the start of the vaccination programme where, yes, the UK Government took a number of chances that seemed to pay off regarding vaccine approval and purchasing. However is the Hurclean efforts of thousands of NHS staff and volunteers which should be the subject of most praise. It was and is an amazing an effort from a vast group of people who weren't in the VIP lane. The UK has fallen well down the ranks regarding 1st, 2nd, and booster delivery compared to Europe. As for the endless announcements of changes to government policy to the press before Parliament ... this Government has been on the receiving end of the sort of dressing down from the House Speaker that would have resulted resignations and party explutions in the past. But it has had the desired effect of making people think the Government is doing well, so I'll give him that.
- secondcoming 5y ago
  > The UK has fallen well down the ranks regarding 1st, 2nd, and booster delivery compared to Europe. Why though? It's not because there's a shortage of vaccines, or logistics problems distributing them. It's because some sections of the community won't take them, for whatever reason. It's not the government's fault. We'd have the same stats if Labour were in power.
  - verytrivial 5y ago
    The Government know that that there are millions of people wandering around unvaxinated and additionally these are largely the group that have started voting "Conservative" since 2016 because Facebook and feelings equals facts etc. The Government know only a small fraction of these people will actually die because of COVID so they can still be relied upon at the next election. The main collateral damage in all this is, of course, the NHS. If I have to point out the Governents actions (not their words) on the operation on the NHS in the last decade, then I'm not sure we are speaking the same language. And if I hear "Labour would have been bad/worse" one more time ... I won't be surprised at this stage.
    - CodeGlitch 5y ago
KaiserPro 5y ago
There is one decision that made the vaccine programme possible, which is buying all of the vaccines early at a high(er) price. This was sensible and good. It took a lot of headbanging to get that through, I am grateful to whomever did it. In terms of getting it into peoples arms, we've not been doing that well till the booster. Yes there was an early lead, but france now has more vaccinated people per capita than us, and they had a horrid start.
- JulianMorrison 5y ago
  We have entirely too many antivax fools.

arcticbull 5y ago

Bojo wasn't out there vaccinating people himself. That's the NHS that's been hauling ass. It's kind of their raison d'être. The political arm of the UK government's job ends at procurement.

mercy_dude 5y ago
OK but what’s your point then? His government says 15min wait isn’t necessary- you say he is trying to deflect his own personal scandals. His government supposedly does a decent job - you say it’s not his credit. At some point these derangement has to stop. Like I said I don’t like him or condone his scandals. But this has nothing to do with the original post saying 15min wait isn’t necessary. This is what happens when you watch 24/7 opinion media outlets that want to tie seemingly different things to satisfy their narratives.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  > His government says 15min wait isn’t necessary. I agree with that. > ... you say he is trying to deflect his own personal scandals. I didn't say that. > His government supposedly does a decent job - you say it’s not his credit. All I'm saying is that the credit is due to the NHS for executing on the vaccination campaign.
- headmelted 5y ago
  To be fair to Boris, he at least seems to have some sense of the limit of his own knowledge. If Whitty and Valance tell him “this is what’s happening, and where we think it’s going” then it’s probably as much as you can expect to have him take the advice. Obviously we’ve no insight into what if any advice he refuses to take behind closed doors, but at least he’s taking it seriously. We hope. Based on the limited amount of information we’re given.
  - toyg 5y ago
    > it’s probably as much as you can expect to have him take the advice. Particularly considering that he didn't do it in early 2020, when it mattered the most.
    - headmelted 5y ago
      Indeed.
amartin7889 5y ago
If the Fed bought toxic assets from the banks under TARP at face value, and supplied them with cash to buy distressed assets from entities without access to that window, how could you possibly claim that it was a win for the US taxpayer?

chiefalchemist 5y ago

Once a politician, always a politician. The good politicians stay on the front foot (as they say in English football). The bad ones are always on their heals. You might believe these arw different issue. But if Boris is an on the front foot politician, rest assure he thinks (and acts) otherwise.

cjrp 5y ago

> UK government has done far better job than in delivering boosters and vaccines. Specifically the civil service and NHS

me_me_me 5y ago

Are you forgetting his stunts and commentary to downplay the vacinations/covid resulting in people not taking it seriously, low vaccinations and no lockdowns? They had highest deaths in EU as they failed to learn from Italy, who at the time was just recovering from first wave there. This is akin seeing someone drive fast loose control and smash into a tree, followed by 'hold my beer, i can go faster'

mdp2021 5y ago

> Not a fan ... but I will give credit where it’s due If you want to give credit, there are a number of actors, a number of facilitators, and a number of mostly spectators. You cannot immediately entail who did what, who is responsible, without knowing how the mechanism works (sometimes, without having information from the inside). Some careers are based on taking credit irregardless; some other surely must be linked to real merit... Do not jump from "John was in charge" to "John did it" (to define the actual role and impact of John means considering a complex system). About the specific context, I think there exist articles praising a number of key actors.

verytrivial 5y ago

There was a period towards the start of the vaccination programme where, yes, the UK Government took a number of chances that seemed to pay off regarding vaccine approval and purchasing. However is the Hurclean efforts of thousands of NHS staff and volunteers which should be the subject of most praise. It was and is an amazing an effort from a vast group of people who weren't in the VIP lane. The UK has fallen well down the ranks regarding 1st, 2nd, and booster delivery compared to Europe. As for the endless announcements of changes to government policy to the press before Parliament ... this Government has been on the receiving end of the sort of dressing down from the House Speaker that would have resulted resignations and party explutions in the past. But it has had the desired effect of making people think the Government is doing well, so I'll give him that.

secondcoming 5y ago
> The UK has fallen well down the ranks regarding 1st, 2nd, and booster delivery compared to Europe. Why though? It's not because there's a shortage of vaccines, or logistics problems distributing them. It's because some sections of the community won't take them, for whatever reason. It's not the government's fault. We'd have the same stats if Labour were in power.
- verytrivial 5y ago
  The Government know that that there are millions of people wandering around unvaxinated and additionally these are largely the group that have started voting "Conservative" since 2016 because Facebook and feelings equals facts etc. The Government know only a small fraction of these people will actually die because of COVID so they can still be relied upon at the next election. The main collateral damage in all this is, of course, the NHS. If I have to point out the Governents actions (not their words) on the operation on the NHS in the last decade, then I'm not sure we are speaking the same language. And if I hear "Labour would have been bad/worse" one more time ... I won't be surprised at this stage.
  - CodeGlitch 5y ago

KaiserPro 5y ago

There is one decision that made the vaccine programme possible, which is buying all of the vaccines early at a high(er) price. This was sensible and good. It took a lot of headbanging to get that through, I am grateful to whomever did it. In terms of getting it into peoples arms, we've not been doing that well till the booster. Yes there was an early lead, but france now has more vaccinated people per capita than us, and they had a horrid start.

JulianMorrison 5y ago
We have entirely too many antivax fools.