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If you already had Covid, should you get vaccinated?

y7 5y ago
Yes. See https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-update-dec-13 https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-updat...
- whitepaint 5y ago
  "Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare . " https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfe...
  - tigershark 5y ago
    You can post something from last century, it will be as wrong as this link. Omicron has shown extremely increased reinfection risk compared to all the other variants. So the correct answer is: yes, you absolutely do need to get a vaccine after the infection if you want to lower your reinfection chances.
  - scotty79 5y ago
    They can't be that rare. I heard about multiple from my social circle.
    - ethanbond 5y ago
      Curious enough, almost everyone I know who had COVID once at least thinks they got it at least one more time. Obviously anecdata etc., I’m not substantiating any argument at all with this, but this fact of my personal experience didn’t occur to me until reading your comment!
    - rajup 5y ago
      Nice. We have reached the point where hearing from your social circle is equivalent to data.
      - scotty79 5y ago
        It's not. However if somebody claims that something almost never happens and you, being completely average person, know few people that claim it has happned to them then something might be up. Somebody's might be mistaken. Probably those few people but I'd like to see stronger evidence for the general claim as well. Especially if claim is extraordinary. We know very few illnesses where being sick once gives you immunity for life.
  - y7 5y ago
    "Updated Aug. 6, 2021"
    - deleted 5y ago
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scotty79 5y ago
Most likely yes. Look at the chart at the last page of this PDF. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v...
- kame3d 5y ago
  If I'm reading the charts correctly, the incidence of infection after recovering from Covid is around 13-15 per 100k after 6-8 months, and after recovering from Covid + Vaccination is around 10-14 per 100k after 6-8 months. So it seems like vaccination does not present a clear benefit for someone that recovered from Covid? (The confidence intervals overlap)
  - scotty79 5y ago
    I think the main benefit is that taking vaccine re-sets the timer on your dimnishing immunity from prior infection. So if you had covid 8 months ago, but took the vaccine last month you have significantly better immunity than if you didn't. While a person that took vaccine 8 months ago and was also sick even further back (for example 12 months ago), has roughly the same immunity as a person who was sick 8 months ago and didn't vaccinate.
  - basch 5y ago
    >does not present a clear benefit It sounds like youre operating from a premise of unnecessary doses being slightly bad, vs slightly good. Is there a clear benefit to not taking pascals wager?
    - Bancakes 5y ago
      The premise that injecting experimental substances in my body is not necessarily a good thing.
      - scotty79 5y ago
        With over 6 billion doses taken worldwide it's currently about as experimental as aspirin.
antocv 5y ago
No, do not do it. Not worth the risk, while your natural immunity is way more effective than even 3 shots of vaccine. If you are above 60 years old, get the vaccine.
dublin 5y ago
There is NO reason to take the substantial risks that go along with the vaccine if you already have the superior multifaceted natural immunity produced by having already been infected. Even if I hadn't already had Covid, I would not take the additional risks of the vaccine, since they are considerably more likely to result in serious damage or death than simply having the virus. Unless you have serious and significant comorbidities, you are NOT likely to be killed or even significantly injured, by the virus itself. What we really should be doing, though is not arguing about gene-modifying "vaccines", but rather working to promote proven-effective therapies (mostly zinc plus zinc ionophores like HCQ, IVM, Quercetin, and Fluvoxamine, in concert with steroids, and in severe cases, oxygen. Note that these drugs are NOT effective alone! (The studies claiming they are ineffective have tested them in isolation.)
throwntoday 5y ago
No. Ask yourself if the low chance of getting covid again (lower than if you were only vaccinated) is worth the complications from unforeseen issues. Without taking the vaccine you introduce none of the potential risks of the vaccine. If there are any you simply can't get them if you don't take it.

y7 5y ago

Yes. See https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-update-dec-13 https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-updat...

whitepaint 5y ago
"Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare . " https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfe...
- tigershark 5y ago
  You can post something from last century, it will be as wrong as this link. Omicron has shown extremely increased reinfection risk compared to all the other variants. So the correct answer is: yes, you absolutely do need to get a vaccine after the infection if you want to lower your reinfection chances.
- scotty79 5y ago
  They can't be that rare. I heard about multiple from my social circle.
  - ethanbond 5y ago
    Curious enough, almost everyone I know who had COVID once at least thinks they got it at least one more time. Obviously anecdata etc., I’m not substantiating any argument at all with this, but this fact of my personal experience didn’t occur to me until reading your comment!
  - rajup 5y ago
    Nice. We have reached the point where hearing from your social circle is equivalent to data.
    - scotty79 5y ago
      It's not. However if somebody claims that something almost never happens and you, being completely average person, know few people that claim it has happned to them then something might be up. Somebody's might be mistaken. Probably those few people but I'd like to see stronger evidence for the general claim as well. Especially if claim is extraordinary. We know very few illnesses where being sick once gives you immunity for life.
- y7 5y ago
  "Updated Aug. 6, 2021"
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]

scotty79 5y ago

Most likely yes. Look at the chart at the last page of this PDF. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v...

kame3d 5y ago
If I'm reading the charts correctly, the incidence of infection after recovering from Covid is around 13-15 per 100k after 6-8 months, and after recovering from Covid + Vaccination is around 10-14 per 100k after 6-8 months. So it seems like vaccination does not present a clear benefit for someone that recovered from Covid? (The confidence intervals overlap)
- scotty79 5y ago
  I think the main benefit is that taking vaccine re-sets the timer on your dimnishing immunity from prior infection. So if you had covid 8 months ago, but took the vaccine last month you have significantly better immunity than if you didn't. While a person that took vaccine 8 months ago and was also sick even further back (for example 12 months ago), has roughly the same immunity as a person who was sick 8 months ago and didn't vaccinate.
- basch 5y ago
  >does not present a clear benefit It sounds like youre operating from a premise of unnecessary doses being slightly bad, vs slightly good. Is there a clear benefit to not taking pascals wager?
  - Bancakes 5y ago
    The premise that injecting experimental substances in my body is not necessarily a good thing.
    - scotty79 5y ago
      With over 6 billion doses taken worldwide it's currently about as experimental as aspirin.

antocv 5y ago

No, do not do it. Not worth the risk, while your natural immunity is way more effective than even 3 shots of vaccine. If you are above 60 years old, get the vaccine.

dublin 5y ago

There is NO reason to take the substantial risks that go along with the vaccine if you already have the superior multifaceted natural immunity produced by having already been infected. Even if I hadn't already had Covid, I would not take the additional risks of the vaccine, since they are considerably more likely to result in serious damage or death than simply having the virus. Unless you have serious and significant comorbidities, you are NOT likely to be killed or even significantly injured, by the virus itself. What we really should be doing, though is not arguing about gene-modifying "vaccines", but rather working to promote proven-effective therapies (mostly zinc plus zinc ionophores like HCQ, IVM, Quercetin, and Fluvoxamine, in concert with steroids, and in severe cases, oxygen. Note that these drugs are NOT effective alone! (The studies claiming they are ineffective have tested them in isolation.)

throwntoday 5y ago

No. Ask yourself if the low chance of getting covid again (lower than if you were only vaccinated) is worth the complications from unforeseen issues. Without taking the vaccine you introduce none of the potential risks of the vaccine. If there are any you simply can't get them if you don't take it.