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The point of depression is that you do not want to do things that you'd normally do. You don't want to exercise, see people nor wake up in the morning, and you

The point of depression is that you do not want to do things that you'd normally do. You don't want to exercise, see people nor wake up in the morning, and you feel terrible.

notRobot 5y ago
And often, even if you want to, you can't. Like, no matter how much you want to, you can't force yourself to get out of bed or go for a run or socialise of whatever.
drekipus 5y ago
It's not a case of "doing what you normally do" either. What you normally do got you to this point. It's about recognising the situation and pushing through it, as though you were a robot, and taking a walk around the block, let's say. Winston Churchill used to paint while he's depressed. Its not a case of "they are hopeless" - they need to move and do something. And in the process, recognising what the triggers are and how to overcome it.
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- scollet 5y ago
  > What you normally do got you to this point. This is destructive rhetoric.
  - drekipus 5y ago
    You're right, I'll rescind that, it's usually the case for me but not for everyone
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    it might be. but you are absolutely, emphatically wrong. Depression in many ways is consistent with "sickness behaviour". It is often a signal to get away from a stressor, just like sickness behaviour you have during flu is a signal that it's time to lay down and rest. P.S. inb4, yes, there are other kinds of depression, like endogenous depression and such that are different in that regard (and treated differently too). none of the exceptions invalidate the most common scenario.
- thisiswater 5y ago
  Part of the problem here is the vagueness of the term. Sometimes, diagnosing someone with "depression" is like diagnosing them with a headache - accurate, but not particularly clinically useful. Lifestyle changes will help some depression, it will not help others. Generalizing from your own experiences is useful, but be very careful with how you present this to others. Telling a chronically depressed person they just need to take a walk and eat some fruit is not just insulting, it's fodder for self-invalidating thoughts which can increase self-destructiveness.
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- wruza 5y ago
  What you normally do got you to this point And it’s hard to accept that your life style is “bad”. You can’t be you, basically, as if you were born untreatably ill. For me personally, these abnormal states turn on the rage against the nature, which in turn motivates to do workout in intricate ways sometimes, but it may not be the case for other people or for other activites. E.g. no way I’m going to look for a social interaction when depressed and/or anxious, that will only strengthen the negative effects. It all ends up with a constant questioning why the life (in a sense of nature etc) is so fucked up and cannot exist in different forms than “normal”. You become an almost broken engine which it feels like requires a maintenance 24/7 and now this is your life. Yes, you can do that, but it is itself demotivating. I fully agree with the triggers part though, and that can only be done through doing something.
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- pfortuny 5y ago
  No, really: you do not know how depression changes your brain. Churchill was lucky, and I do not think he was clinically depressed. It is absolutely different from “feeling down”. It is a way of perceiving your reality and the world which no one can understand. And a supreme lack of energy. Please please please do not put more strain on depressed people’s minds. They would die for a MINUTE of “just calm”.

The point of depression is that you do not want to do things that you'd normally do. You don't want to exercise, see people nor wake up in the morning, and you feel terrible.

notRobot 5y ago

And often, even if you want to, you can't. Like, no matter how much you want to, you can't force yourself to get out of bed or go for a run or socialise of whatever.

drekipus 5y ago

It's not a case of "doing what you normally do" either. What you normally do got you to this point. It's about recognising the situation and pushing through it, as though you were a robot, and taking a walk around the block, let's say. Winston Churchill used to paint while he's depressed. Its not a case of "they are hopeless" - they need to move and do something. And in the process, recognising what the triggers are and how to overcome it.

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scollet 5y ago
> What you normally do got you to this point. This is destructive rhetoric.
- drekipus 5y ago
  You're right, I'll rescind that, it's usually the case for me but not for everyone
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  it might be. but you are absolutely, emphatically wrong. Depression in many ways is consistent with "sickness behaviour". It is often a signal to get away from a stressor, just like sickness behaviour you have during flu is a signal that it's time to lay down and rest. P.S. inb4, yes, there are other kinds of depression, like endogenous depression and such that are different in that regard (and treated differently too). none of the exceptions invalidate the most common scenario.
thisiswater 5y ago
Part of the problem here is the vagueness of the term. Sometimes, diagnosing someone with "depression" is like diagnosing them with a headache - accurate, but not particularly clinically useful. Lifestyle changes will help some depression, it will not help others. Generalizing from your own experiences is useful, but be very careful with how you present this to others. Telling a chronically depressed person they just need to take a walk and eat some fruit is not just insulting, it's fodder for self-invalidating thoughts which can increase self-destructiveness.
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wruza 5y ago
What you normally do got you to this point And it’s hard to accept that your life style is “bad”. You can’t be you, basically, as if you were born untreatably ill. For me personally, these abnormal states turn on the rage against the nature, which in turn motivates to do workout in intricate ways sometimes, but it may not be the case for other people or for other activites. E.g. no way I’m going to look for a social interaction when depressed and/or anxious, that will only strengthen the negative effects. It all ends up with a constant questioning why the life (in a sense of nature etc) is so fucked up and cannot exist in different forms than “normal”. You become an almost broken engine which it feels like requires a maintenance 24/7 and now this is your life. Yes, you can do that, but it is itself demotivating. I fully agree with the triggers part though, and that can only be done through doing something.
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pfortuny 5y ago
No, really: you do not know how depression changes your brain. Churchill was lucky, and I do not think he was clinically depressed. It is absolutely different from “feeling down”. It is a way of perceiving your reality and the world which no one can understand. And a supreme lack of energy. Please please please do not put more strain on depressed people’s minds. They would die for a MINUTE of “just calm”.