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You don’t need statistics you need real reports of quality of life from people living there. What you mistake as rants are people who live there telling you the

You don’t need statistics you need real reports of quality of life from people living there. What you mistake as rants are people who live there telling you they hate it. What other data do you need?

AlexandrB 5y ago
> What other data do you need? Actual data. Emotional testimonials are a terrible way to set public policy. See also the security theatre we've instituted in our airports since 9/11. Going off of people's self-reported experiences is how you get policy driven by mass hysteria like the "Satanic Panic"[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic
- diogenescynic 5y ago
  Why do we have to argue when we can just use Google? The data backs up what he is saying: >8 Out of 10 Residents Believe Crime Has Gotten Worse in San Francisco; Vast Majority Support Increasing Police Officers and Expanding Police Work https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-residents-believe-crime-has-gotten-worse-in-san-francisco-vast-majority-support-increasing-police-officers-and-expanding-police-work/ https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-res...
wolverine876 5y ago
> You don’t need statistics you need real reports of quality of life from people living there. What you mistake as rants are people who live there telling you they hate it. What other data do you need? At this date, we still don't understand that such things on the Internet are completely unreliable?
- dougmwne 5y ago
  If you don't believe the news, and you don't believe the statistics, and you don't believe the anecdotes, then what would you believe? Do you have any first hand experience of the city at all? I'm not some shill. I have no agenda. I tried to live in SF, and left because things that don't occur in poor countries are an every day occurrence on the street there. Everyone I knew was affected and everyone had their own stories. But more than any other place, San Franciscans can deny reality and blame it all on Reagan, the weather, the red states, anything but themselves better than anyone.

AlexandrB 5y ago

> What other data do you need? Actual data. Emotional testimonials are a terrible way to set public policy. See also the security theatre we've instituted in our airports since 9/11. Going off of people's self-reported experiences is how you get policy driven by mass hysteria like the "Satanic Panic"[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

diogenescynic 5y ago
Why do we have to argue when we can just use Google? The data backs up what he is saying: >8 Out of 10 Residents Believe Crime Has Gotten Worse in San Francisco; Vast Majority Support Increasing Police Officers and Expanding Police Work https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-residents-believe-crime-has-gotten-worse-in-san-francisco-vast-majority-support-increasing-police-officers-and-expanding-police-work/ https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-res...

wolverine876 5y ago

> You don’t need statistics you need real reports of quality of life from people living there. What you mistake as rants are people who live there telling you they hate it. What other data do you need? At this date, we still don't understand that such things on the Internet are completely unreliable?

dougmwne 5y ago
If you don't believe the news, and you don't believe the statistics, and you don't believe the anecdotes, then what would you believe? Do you have any first hand experience of the city at all? I'm not some shill. I have no agenda. I tried to live in SF, and left because things that don't occur in poor countries are an every day occurrence on the street there. Everyone I knew was affected and everyone had their own stories. But more than any other place, San Franciscans can deny reality and blame it all on Reagan, the weather, the red states, anything but themselves better than anyone.