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> "Taking Apple's word on it" is not a valid privacy strategy. I respectfully disagree. If Apple says "we don't do X", and then is shown to do X, that would b

> "Taking Apple's word on it" is not a valid privacy strategy. I respectfully disagree. If Apple says "we don't do X", and then is shown to do X, that would be a massive PR disaster. Whereas Amazon makes no privacy promises at all. In fact, they promise the opposite.

kornhole 5y ago
Granted that Amazon doesn't pretend too much to not be spying on you. Carefully read Apple's policies and statements to see where they give themselves plenty of wiggle room. Unfortunately most consumers' knowledge is no match for their PR and legal team's. Apple markets their products on privacy, but countless studies and analysis finds this to be a lot of theater.
- dsomers 5y ago
  What’s the strongest evidence you have that proves this?
cglong 5y ago
You're right, it was: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...
- dsomers 5y ago
  This was changed as far as I know. Do you have evidence otherwise?
  - krono 5y ago
    Claiming that whatever has not been proven false must be true is the exact opposite of how it works. We have evidence and even admittance of abuse / improper handling in the past, but I'm unable to find any evidence that things have changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
    - dsomers 5y ago
      It seems like it was changed. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-listening-to-siri-conversations.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-lis... I was just asking a question, I wasn’t attempting some sort of gotcha. I really don’t care that much.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Do you have evidence that they changed it?
    - dsomers 5y ago
      https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-listening-to-siri-conversations.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-lis... This. Is there any reason I should think this is not accurate?

kornhole 5y ago

Granted that Amazon doesn't pretend too much to not be spying on you. Carefully read Apple's policies and statements to see where they give themselves plenty of wiggle room. Unfortunately most consumers' knowledge is no match for their PR and legal team's. Apple markets their products on privacy, but countless studies and analysis finds this to be a lot of theater.

dsomers 5y ago
What’s the strongest evidence you have that proves this?

cglong 5y ago

You're right, it was: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

dsomers 5y ago
This was changed as far as I know. Do you have evidence otherwise?
- krono 5y ago
  Claiming that whatever has not been proven false must be true is the exact opposite of how it works. We have evidence and even admittance of abuse / improper handling in the past, but I'm unable to find any evidence that things have changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
  - dsomers 5y ago
    It seems like it was changed. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-listening-to-siri-conversations.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-lis... I was just asking a question, I wasn’t attempting some sort of gotcha. I really don’t care that much.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Do you have evidence that they changed it?
  - dsomers 5y ago
    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-listening-to-siri-conversations.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/28/apple-apologizes-for-lis... This. Is there any reason I should think this is not accurate?