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Changes the whole dynamic of any school. If public schools could kick out students for behavior there wouldn’t be near the incentive for private schools to exis

Changes the whole dynamic of any school. If public schools could kick out students for behavior there wouldn’t be near the incentive for private schools to exist. I also suspect student behavior would magically improve because the parents would have a real incentive to correct behavioral actions at home. If you want one thing to fix education in America this would be it. Parents need to be held accountable for the actions of their children and hold their children accountable as well and unfortunately many parents simply do not care. They see it as a free right to childcare and whatever happens at school is the school’s problem. And before anyone corrects me. Yes, you can get expelled from public school, but you really have to try these days and then after years and years of documented terrible behavior there probably has to be something so egregious and disturbing that there can be no objections any longer.

Auracle 5y ago
Our school system had the “ALC” - alternative learning center. This was back in the aughts, and it was under the local bowling alley and the kids that went there were allowed to smoke. I’m pretty sure it was basically just a daycare for teenagers but it served its purpose.
mPReDiToR 5y ago
I'm going to word this in a way which may take away from my score, but I hope my point is clear: We've raised a generation of people who watch reality TV and have elective surgery to ape yheir idols. Conversation has diminished, vocabulary moreso. Faux news, voting for people who wouldn't throw you a lifering if they had a factory producing them, the litigious society, the blame of victims, the disrespect for our fellow man, the lack of curiosity about how things work. How can these "parents" be held accountable for actions they don't understand or in many cases even care about? I heard it said well years ago: Back in my day, when a policeman brought a child home, the father would open the door, slap the child, send it to its room and then apologise to the cop for whatever happened. The new generation open the door and hug their child, then go on to accuse the police officer of traumatising their delicate little angel by being overbearing and wrong about whatever the accusation was. We've lost respect for authority because of abuse of power. We've lost faith in politics because it's basically red or blue. We've got to try and get paper results for our kids which have nothing to do with aptitude or ability, merely memory. So much wrong with the way I wrote that, but I'm passionate about it and don't know how to change it.
- dalke 5y ago
  "Dr. Spock - the old people are complaining about the kids again." Yes, people have expressed similar views to yours for a long time. Quoting the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Common_Sense_Book_of_Baby_and_Child_Care https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Common_Sense_Book_of_Baby_... : > By the late 1960s, Spock faced widespread criticism for condoning an overly permissive parenting style. Many commentators blamed Spock for helping to create the counterculture of the 1960s. Critics believed the current youth were rebellious and defiant in part because they had been brought up by Baby and Child Care. In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10404752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10404752 I went back even further, by looking for "expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter" and found > (1960) 'I've known a lot of kids who were treated like little heroes. Afterward, they expected everything to be handed them on a silver platter— and it wasn't. They couldn't adjust.' "Beyond any doubt, the boys in Williamsport last week were treated as ... > (1949) We have reared a bunch of weaklings in our young marrieds of today. Too much has been handed to them on a silver platter without their having had to work for it, and they lack the intestinal fortitude to meet life as a challenge. > (1937) We want to teach them not just to sit back and expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter but with confidence, based on their training, to go out and get what they want. We need to stiffen a moral flabbiness that has been affecting our youth. So, when was your golden Mayberry era? Perhaps I should take the advice from 1995 from a letter from a father to his son, a new teacher - https://archive.org/details/sim_secondary-education-today_1995-1996_37_1/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22handed+to+them+on+a+silver+platter%22 https://archive.org/details/sim_secondary-education-today_19... > Stay out of the teachers’ lounge. It is a dark refuge for hard-core cynics who have nothing more constructive to do than whine. When they are not slandering students, other teachers, administrators, or parents, they are railing like Timon about the inequities of the profession. Three themes are common with these complainers: “Kids today are spoiled: they all want something handed to them on a silver platter but don’t want to work for it...” and “It’s the parents fault . . ” and “If I were running this school . . ” Blah, blah, blah. The lounge lizards know everything. Just ask them. Better yet, ignore them. When they pontificate, just smile and nod. Smiling and nodding.
  - tsol 5y ago

Auracle 5y ago

Our school system had the “ALC” - alternative learning center. This was back in the aughts, and it was under the local bowling alley and the kids that went there were allowed to smoke. I’m pretty sure it was basically just a daycare for teenagers but it served its purpose.

mPReDiToR 5y ago

I'm going to word this in a way which may take away from my score, but I hope my point is clear: We've raised a generation of people who watch reality TV and have elective surgery to ape yheir idols. Conversation has diminished, vocabulary moreso. Faux news, voting for people who wouldn't throw you a lifering if they had a factory producing them, the litigious society, the blame of victims, the disrespect for our fellow man, the lack of curiosity about how things work. How can these "parents" be held accountable for actions they don't understand or in many cases even care about? I heard it said well years ago: Back in my day, when a policeman brought a child home, the father would open the door, slap the child, send it to its room and then apologise to the cop for whatever happened. The new generation open the door and hug their child, then go on to accuse the police officer of traumatising their delicate little angel by being overbearing and wrong about whatever the accusation was. We've lost respect for authority because of abuse of power. We've lost faith in politics because it's basically red or blue. We've got to try and get paper results for our kids which have nothing to do with aptitude or ability, merely memory. So much wrong with the way I wrote that, but I'm passionate about it and don't know how to change it.

dalke 5y ago
"Dr. Spock - the old people are complaining about the kids again." Yes, people have expressed similar views to yours for a long time. Quoting the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Common_Sense_Book_of_Baby_and_Child_Care https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Common_Sense_Book_of_Baby_... : > By the late 1960s, Spock faced widespread criticism for condoning an overly permissive parenting style. Many commentators blamed Spock for helping to create the counterculture of the 1960s. Critics believed the current youth were rebellious and defiant in part because they had been brought up by Baby and Child Care. In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10404752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10404752 I went back even further, by looking for "expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter" and found > (1960) 'I've known a lot of kids who were treated like little heroes. Afterward, they expected everything to be handed them on a silver platter— and it wasn't. They couldn't adjust.' "Beyond any doubt, the boys in Williamsport last week were treated as ... > (1949) We have reared a bunch of weaklings in our young marrieds of today. Too much has been handed to them on a silver platter without their having had to work for it, and they lack the intestinal fortitude to meet life as a challenge. > (1937) We want to teach them not just to sit back and expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter but with confidence, based on their training, to go out and get what they want. We need to stiffen a moral flabbiness that has been affecting our youth. So, when was your golden Mayberry era? Perhaps I should take the advice from 1995 from a letter from a father to his son, a new teacher - https://archive.org/details/sim_secondary-education-today_1995-1996_37_1/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22handed+to+them+on+a+silver+platter%22 https://archive.org/details/sim_secondary-education-today_19... > Stay out of the teachers’ lounge. It is a dark refuge for hard-core cynics who have nothing more constructive to do than whine. When they are not slandering students, other teachers, administrators, or parents, they are railing like Timon about the inequities of the profession. Three themes are common with these complainers: “Kids today are spoiled: they all want something handed to them on a silver platter but don’t want to work for it...” and “It’s the parents fault . . ” and “If I were running this school . . ” Blah, blah, blah. The lounge lizards know everything. Just ask them. Better yet, ignore them. When they pontificate, just smile and nod. Smiling and nodding.
- tsol 5y ago