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I live by reason and rationality and am also religious. I see "God" as Truth, or a consciousness that knows all truth, and that seeking truth, including natural

by Osiris 5y ago

I live by reason and rationality and am also religious. I see "God" as Truth, or a consciousness that knows all truth, and that seeking truth, including natural laws/science, is equivalent to seeking god. The two do (religion and rationality) are not mutually exclusive concepts.

rackjack 5y ago
I do not think this is what most people believe the definition of religion or God is.
- tengbretson 5y ago
  I would recommend the prologue of the book of John to learn more about this.
paulryanrogers 5y ago
> The two do (religion and rationality) are not mutually exclusive concepts. Only if the religion is unfalsifiable. If it can be proven false then it's irrational to believe in it. If it can be proven true there is no need for faith.
- mbrock 5y ago
  What if believing in it is proven to have significant benefits, regardless of the scientific truth value of the doctrinal propositions? How do you really judge the rationality of that?
  - paulryanrogers 5y ago
    > What if believing in it is proven to have significant benefits, regardless of the scientific truth... If the beliefs are benign then one could make a case. Even so I prefer believing only what can be proven over ignorance and self deception.
  - mbfg 5y ago
    The issue is, as is amply shown in the United States, is that minds that can accept things without evidence that are considered benign, can also accept things that are harmful. A mind that doesn't consider truth to be an important part of a belief system can believe anything. This "My Truth" is a pervasive virus that is occurring here in the US, and you see it every day destroying our society. If i don't need evidence, I can believe white people are better than black people and take it on faith. I can believe men are better than women and take it on faith. I can believe cis people are better than lbgtq+ people and take it on faith. If i don't have to demonstrate the accuracy of my claims, My claims are as valid as your claims.
BLKNSLVR 5y ago
If that's how you see "god" then the only thing we differ on, as such, is the meaning of the label 'religious'. For me, religious means following a specific set of beliefs, behaviours, and traditions - which is somewhat incompatible with the idea of seeking truth inasmuch that some newfound truths may be incompatible with said beliefs, behaviours, and traditions. According my mental dictionary, religion and rationality are mutually exclusive when the religious doctrine is proven irrational.
mbfg 5y ago
Believing things without evidence is a core disagreement with science.

by Osiris 5y ago

rackjack 5y ago

I do not think this is what most people believe the definition of religion or God is.

tengbretson 5y ago
I would recommend the prologue of the book of John to learn more about this.

paulryanrogers 5y ago

> The two do (religion and rationality) are not mutually exclusive concepts. Only if the religion is unfalsifiable. If it can be proven false then it's irrational to believe in it. If it can be proven true there is no need for faith.

mbrock 5y ago
What if believing in it is proven to have significant benefits, regardless of the scientific truth value of the doctrinal propositions? How do you really judge the rationality of that?
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  > What if believing in it is proven to have significant benefits, regardless of the scientific truth... If the beliefs are benign then one could make a case. Even so I prefer believing only what can be proven over ignorance and self deception.
- mbfg 5y ago
  The issue is, as is amply shown in the United States, is that minds that can accept things without evidence that are considered benign, can also accept things that are harmful. A mind that doesn't consider truth to be an important part of a belief system can believe anything. This "My Truth" is a pervasive virus that is occurring here in the US, and you see it every day destroying our society. If i don't need evidence, I can believe white people are better than black people and take it on faith. I can believe men are better than women and take it on faith. I can believe cis people are better than lbgtq+ people and take it on faith. If i don't have to demonstrate the accuracy of my claims, My claims are as valid as your claims.

BLKNSLVR 5y ago

If that's how you see "god" then the only thing we differ on, as such, is the meaning of the label 'religious'. For me, religious means following a specific set of beliefs, behaviours, and traditions - which is somewhat incompatible with the idea of seeking truth inasmuch that some newfound truths may be incompatible with said beliefs, behaviours, and traditions. According my mental dictionary, religion and rationality are mutually exclusive when the religious doctrine is proven irrational.

mbfg 5y ago

Believing things without evidence is a core disagreement with science.