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I will support him on the internet as I cannot vote. Other cities look to follow SF's steps of restorative justice. I think this is bad, but I can't be sure.

I will support him on the internet as I cannot vote. Other cities look to follow SF's steps of restorative justice. I think this is bad, but I can't be sure. Since I don't live in SF, I want SF to go all the way with the restorative justice to see if it works. Maybe I'm wrong. This is a low cost way of experimenting. Here is the kicker: SF residents also want more restorative justice (based on their official votes). We all from other cities should help support Chesa. We will all benefit from the restorative justice experiment, and SF residents get what they vote for. It is a win win.

diogenescynic 5y ago
Chesa Boudin’s strategy is a complete failure. Crime is up and everyone hates it. We are known internationally for how lawless and unsafe it’s become. If you want more republicans to get elected, sure vote for more candidates like Chesa who will lead to voter backlash when they get to experience the reality of buzzwords like “restorative justice” while champagne liberals with private security tell them it’s for their own good. The reality is the poor suffer the most from this woke mentality.
- ergocoder 5y ago
  > Chesa Boudin’s strategy is a complete failure. Crime is up and everyone hates it. I agree with you that it won't work. To my surprise, there are tons of people who support restorative justice. I'd even go as far as it is the majority of SF voters. In any case, with a sociology problem and solution like this, we can't be too arrogant to say whether one would work or not. So, I want SF to follow through with it.
  - diogenescynic 5y ago
    So ignore the reality we see with our eyes and double down on an ideology that is clearly not working for anyone? Got it. SF never mass incarcerated criminals and was already lax on crime. I didn’t realize “restorative justice” meant letting elderly Asians get beat in the streets or letting drug users take over children's parks. SF is a joke and doubling down on failing strategies because of ideology is why it such a miserable place. The neo-liberals have turned SF into ancapistan. Hopefully you can afford privat security, otherwise SF feels like living in a slum. Other countries that are actually progressive (not just woke) have found better ways to clean up cities but also decriminalize drugs. The red light district in Amsterdam is cleaner than almost any part of SF. What we are doing is clearly failing. The difference is they don’t let people just openly use drugs on the streets, don’t allow theft, and don’t tolerate anarchy like we do.
    - cmh89 5y ago
      You should take a hard look at the criminal justice system of those 'actually progressive' countries because they look a lot more like California than they do Texas. They tend to spend their money on the social safety net and provide behavioral and physical health care to all people, which is why they don't have a lot of the same issues we do. Crime is up everywhere in this country. We jail tons of people in the US and its gotten us absolutely nothing.
      - diogenescynic 5y ago
        People were sure a lot safer before meth and heroin were decriminalized. If anything that’s gotten us nowhere. No other country allows people to just sit on the sidewalk and smoke meth and shoot heroin and break into cars and shoplift to support their habit. We have the worst of all outcomes. The champagne Neo-liberals who advocate for this stuff don’t have to live with the consequences. It’s all woke virtue signaling. Sadly it’s the drug addicts and mentally ill who suffer since they are just constantly let to spiral further downward. There are zero guard rails to individual behavior anymore. This is Ancapistan, not some progressive utopia.
        cmh89 5y ago
        > People were sure a lot safer before meth and heroin were decriminalized. I'd love to see some actual data on this. > No other country allows people to just sit on the sidewalk and smoke meth and shoot heroin and break into cars and shoplift to support their habit. No other country puts addiction treatment behind a huge financial wall either. America is broken and that's just a symptom of it. > It’s all woke virtue signaling Just as an aside, people who use 'woke' and 'virtue signal' really discredit themselves by using those terms. It telephones the reality that you probably consume a lot of conservative 'sky-is-falling' media that is designed to make you scared and reactionary. > Sadly it’s the drug addicts and mentally ill who suffer since they are just constantly let to spiral further downward Is your thought that being locked in a jail is somehow better for them? You don't need to pretend that you actually care what happens to them.
zepto 5y ago
There is no meaningful restorative justice experiment in SF. If you want to know more about restorative justice in practice, New Zealand and Australia are good examples. If you don’t live in SF, it’s hard to understand why you support Chesa Boudin.
diebeforei485 5y ago
> This is a low cost way of experimenting. No, it is not low cost for people who bear the brunt of crime on the daily. > Here is the kicker: SF residents also want more restorative justice (based on their official votes). He won by a 1.6% margin. A narrow victory is a victory yes, but recalls and impeachments are a part of democracy - and he will be recalled no matter how narrow the margins are.

diogenescynic 5y ago

Chesa Boudin’s strategy is a complete failure. Crime is up and everyone hates it. We are known internationally for how lawless and unsafe it’s become. If you want more republicans to get elected, sure vote for more candidates like Chesa who will lead to voter backlash when they get to experience the reality of buzzwords like “restorative justice” while champagne liberals with private security tell them it’s for their own good. The reality is the poor suffer the most from this woke mentality.

ergocoder 5y ago
> Chesa Boudin’s strategy is a complete failure. Crime is up and everyone hates it. I agree with you that it won't work. To my surprise, there are tons of people who support restorative justice. I'd even go as far as it is the majority of SF voters. In any case, with a sociology problem and solution like this, we can't be too arrogant to say whether one would work or not. So, I want SF to follow through with it.
- diogenescynic 5y ago
  So ignore the reality we see with our eyes and double down on an ideology that is clearly not working for anyone? Got it. SF never mass incarcerated criminals and was already lax on crime. I didn’t realize “restorative justice” meant letting elderly Asians get beat in the streets or letting drug users take over children's parks. SF is a joke and doubling down on failing strategies because of ideology is why it such a miserable place. The neo-liberals have turned SF into ancapistan. Hopefully you can afford privat security, otherwise SF feels like living in a slum. Other countries that are actually progressive (not just woke) have found better ways to clean up cities but also decriminalize drugs. The red light district in Amsterdam is cleaner than almost any part of SF. What we are doing is clearly failing. The difference is they don’t let people just openly use drugs on the streets, don’t allow theft, and don’t tolerate anarchy like we do.
  - cmh89 5y ago
    You should take a hard look at the criminal justice system of those 'actually progressive' countries because they look a lot more like California than they do Texas. They tend to spend their money on the social safety net and provide behavioral and physical health care to all people, which is why they don't have a lot of the same issues we do. Crime is up everywhere in this country. We jail tons of people in the US and its gotten us absolutely nothing.
    - diogenescynic 5y ago
      People were sure a lot safer before meth and heroin were decriminalized. If anything that’s gotten us nowhere. No other country allows people to just sit on the sidewalk and smoke meth and shoot heroin and break into cars and shoplift to support their habit. We have the worst of all outcomes. The champagne Neo-liberals who advocate for this stuff don’t have to live with the consequences. It’s all woke virtue signaling. Sadly it’s the drug addicts and mentally ill who suffer since they are just constantly let to spiral further downward. There are zero guard rails to individual behavior anymore. This is Ancapistan, not some progressive utopia.
      - cmh89 5y ago
        > People were sure a lot safer before meth and heroin were decriminalized. I'd love to see some actual data on this. > No other country allows people to just sit on the sidewalk and smoke meth and shoot heroin and break into cars and shoplift to support their habit. No other country puts addiction treatment behind a huge financial wall either. America is broken and that's just a symptom of it. > It’s all woke virtue signaling Just as an aside, people who use 'woke' and 'virtue signal' really discredit themselves by using those terms. It telephones the reality that you probably consume a lot of conservative 'sky-is-falling' media that is designed to make you scared and reactionary. > Sadly it’s the drug addicts and mentally ill who suffer since they are just constantly let to spiral further downward Is your thought that being locked in a jail is somehow better for them? You don't need to pretend that you actually care what happens to them.

zepto 5y ago

There is no meaningful restorative justice experiment in SF. If you want to know more about restorative justice in practice, New Zealand and Australia are good examples. If you don’t live in SF, it’s hard to understand why you support Chesa Boudin.

diebeforei485 5y ago

> This is a low cost way of experimenting. No, it is not low cost for people who bear the brunt of crime on the daily. > Here is the kicker: SF residents also want more restorative justice (based on their official votes). He won by a 1.6% margin. A narrow victory is a victory yes, but recalls and impeachments are a part of democracy - and he will be recalled no matter how narrow the margins are.