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>>>Homicides (a small portion) are up, but all over the place, not cities in particular. https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-recor

>>>Homicides (a small portion) are up, but all over the place, not cities in particular. https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453 https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homi... Cities are hitting RECORD homicides though. Does the data show that suburbia is suffering anywhere near as bad of a spike? I dunno....I haven't picked through the data to compare [these 12 cities] vs [America ex-these 12 cities]. https://crime-data-explorer.app.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend https://crime-data-explorer.app.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/cri...

wolverine876 5y ago
> Cities are hitting RECORD homicides though. It's a real crisis and horrible for the victims. But ... very few people are murdered - it's just a rare thing regardless - and afaik most by people they know. > Does the data show that suburbia is suffering anywhere near as bad of a spike? Based on the Washington Post story on the FBI report that I read, as I recall, it was pretty much everywhere. Of course a suburban township with 1 murder last year and 2 this year has doubled its homicide rate.
- diogenescynic 5y ago
  > Of course a suburban township with 1 murder last year and 2 this year has doubled its homicide rate. So you made a hypothetical in your head and hand wave all criticism away? How is this not confirmation bias? If you like it fine, but to dismiss what everyone else is saying is strange. If you lived in the Bay Area, you could see it falling apart in real time. Homeless, crime, quality of life, drugs and everything else got worse and worse. It wouldn’t be a meme if it weren’t actually there.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > to dismiss what everyone else is saying is strange The standard of evidence is 'what everyone else is saying'? We need to improve our education system.
    - diogenescynic 5y ago
      You literally offered no standard of evidence and explained how you make up hypotheticals to hand wave away all evidence that doesn't fit your narrative so I don't think you have the highest standards. You can argue semantics or word choice, but the data backs up what I'm saying--a whopping 80% of SF residents believe SF crime has gotten worse in recent years: https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-residents-believe-crime-has-gotten-worse-in-san-francisco-vast-majority-support-increasing-police-officers-and-expanding-police-work/ https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-res... Why would 80% of residents think this if it wasn't actually happening? Quality of life is in free fall in San Francisco but some folks just want to live in denial and ignore reality. A few other highlights from the study: 70% feel that the quality of life in SF has declined 88% see homelessness as having worsened 76% believe it should be a high priority to increase police officers in high-crime neighborhoods.

wolverine876 5y ago

> Cities are hitting RECORD homicides though. It's a real crisis and horrible for the victims. But ... very few people are murdered - it's just a rare thing regardless - and afaik most by people they know. > Does the data show that suburbia is suffering anywhere near as bad of a spike? Based on the Washington Post story on the FBI report that I read, as I recall, it was pretty much everywhere. Of course a suburban township with 1 murder last year and 2 this year has doubled its homicide rate.

diogenescynic 5y ago
> Of course a suburban township with 1 murder last year and 2 this year has doubled its homicide rate. So you made a hypothetical in your head and hand wave all criticism away? How is this not confirmation bias? If you like it fine, but to dismiss what everyone else is saying is strange. If you lived in the Bay Area, you could see it falling apart in real time. Homeless, crime, quality of life, drugs and everything else got worse and worse. It wouldn’t be a meme if it weren’t actually there.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > to dismiss what everyone else is saying is strange The standard of evidence is 'what everyone else is saying'? We need to improve our education system.
  - diogenescynic 5y ago
    You literally offered no standard of evidence and explained how you make up hypotheticals to hand wave away all evidence that doesn't fit your narrative so I don't think you have the highest standards. You can argue semantics or word choice, but the data backs up what I'm saying--a whopping 80% of SF residents believe SF crime has gotten worse in recent years: https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-residents-believe-crime-has-gotten-worse-in-san-francisco-vast-majority-support-increasing-police-officers-and-expanding-police-work/ https://sfchamber.com/new-polling-shows-that-8-out-of-10-res... Why would 80% of residents think this if it wasn't actually happening? Quality of life is in free fall in San Francisco but some folks just want to live in denial and ignore reality. A few other highlights from the study: 70% feel that the quality of life in SF has declined 88% see homelessness as having worsened 76% believe it should be a high priority to increase police officers in high-crime neighborhoods.