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I live in SF and think that there’s an okay amount of police. I don’t want enhanced police presence. Increased social services sounds like a better way to spend

by jjj123 5y ago

I live in SF and think that there’s an okay amount of police. I don’t want enhanced police presence. Increased social services sounds like a better way to spend that money to me.

diogenescynic 5y ago
Do you really think SF is lacking in social services? I think the problem is people don’t really want them and can’t be forced to use them so it’s just a waste of resources. Every year millions more are dumped into social programs and the problem has only gotten worse. SF has shown the road to hell is paved in good intentions. I moved out of SF because there were constantly tweakers camping in my garage area and cops took hours to respond and they didn’t even do anything, drug users just came back repeatedly after cops left. SF is fine for the champagne liberals living on Nob Hill with private security but everyone else is living in a place where rule of law barely exists.
- jjj123 5y ago
  I think we probably have a difference of opinion of what problem we should solve. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this sounds like the problem you want to solve: drug users and homeless people make you feel unsafe, and you want to feel more safe. I don’t personally feel unsafe in SF, at all. The problem I’d like to solve is this: how can we get help to people who need it? Be that unhoused people, people struggling with mental health issues, people who are addicted to drugs. I don’t know if more social services will help solve my problem, you’re right that we spend a lot of money on it and it doesn’t seem to work all that well. But I do know that more policing will absolutely not solve my problem, it will only make it worse. It might solve yours though, as there won’t be as much drug use and theft with increased police presence. I’m not saying either problem is objectively the right or wrong one. I don’t think there is an objective answer. Just want to show you why people like myself are not looking for an increase in SFPD funding. Edited for clarity.
  - diogenescynic 5y ago
    Seems like a selfish and arrogant answer, but at least it's honest. The reality is, you're one bad encounter away from agreeing with me. You just haven't had to experience the worst of SF. After cleaning up messy human feces and drug paraphernalia on your property for years I'm sure you'd come around.

by jjj123 5y ago

I live in SF and think that there’s an okay amount of police. I don’t want enhanced police presence. Increased social services sounds like a better way to spend that money to me.

diogenescynic 5y ago

Do you really think SF is lacking in social services? I think the problem is people don’t really want them and can’t be forced to use them so it’s just a waste of resources. Every year millions more are dumped into social programs and the problem has only gotten worse. SF has shown the road to hell is paved in good intentions. I moved out of SF because there were constantly tweakers camping in my garage area and cops took hours to respond and they didn’t even do anything, drug users just came back repeatedly after cops left. SF is fine for the champagne liberals living on Nob Hill with private security but everyone else is living in a place where rule of law barely exists.

jjj123 5y ago
I think we probably have a difference of opinion of what problem we should solve. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this sounds like the problem you want to solve: drug users and homeless people make you feel unsafe, and you want to feel more safe. I don’t personally feel unsafe in SF, at all. The problem I’d like to solve is this: how can we get help to people who need it? Be that unhoused people, people struggling with mental health issues, people who are addicted to drugs. I don’t know if more social services will help solve my problem, you’re right that we spend a lot of money on it and it doesn’t seem to work all that well. But I do know that more policing will absolutely not solve my problem, it will only make it worse. It might solve yours though, as there won’t be as much drug use and theft with increased police presence. I’m not saying either problem is objectively the right or wrong one. I don’t think there is an objective answer. Just want to show you why people like myself are not looking for an increase in SFPD funding. Edited for clarity.
- diogenescynic 5y ago
  Seems like a selfish and arrogant answer, but at least it's honest. The reality is, you're one bad encounter away from agreeing with me. You just haven't had to experience the worst of SF. After cleaning up messy human feces and drug paraphernalia on your property for years I'm sure you'd come around.