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A lot of religion is an openly corrupt parody of itself. Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Falwell Jr. All of the scandals with the catholic priests and the subsequen

A lot of religion is an openly corrupt parody of itself. Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Falwell Jr. All of the scandals with the catholic priests and the subsequent cover-up. The catholic church and their genocide of indigenous cultures. The stadium-sized mega churches, and their millionaire pastors with their private jets. A lot of culture has become more accepting while religion remains intolerant due to the initial texts being written 2000 years ago. The bible is pro-slavery, it is anti-gay, its values due not meet the standards of modern society. We now have cameras and proof of everything. Proof of the supernatural has not materialized. It used to be easier to claim you saw an angel on the pulpit when people couldn't ask: "Where was your cellphone?" I grew up in a rural community, I went to multiple churches growing up. I've been inside. There is intolerance. People love to say "hate the sin not the sinner" but that is cold comfort for a gay teenager who someone will invariably take it upon themselves to convert, or use their religion as a justification to persecute them. At the end of the day, for me, there is no proof, and I see nothing to admire in the whole enterprise.

throwawaygal7 5y ago
Could you list specific genocides you feel were mandated by the catholic church? What were the motives of the church to commit genocide? Are you conflating the Spanish and Portuguese conquests with catholic church mandated genocide? I used to be of your view but now I look at the Jesuit reductions and wonder if I might have been inheriting some black legend ideas from the last couple centuries.
- honkycat 5y ago
  - Catholic schools in Ireland - Catholic schools in Canada - Catholic schools in Australia - The Nyarubuye massacre Or do things conducted by catholic organizations on catholic property not meet your goalpost?
  - throwawaygal7 5y ago
    And you think the above are genocides like the Armenian genocide or the holocaust? Organized and mandated as an official part of the church trying to eliminate a certain ethnic or national group? The only one that seems to fit the bill is the ethnic cleansing in Rawanda which didn't enjoy support of the international church hierarchy and is pretty recent. EDIT: This is actually a terrible example, the massacre happened at a catholic church where lay people and religious sisters were killed by another ethnic group. this is not fairly a 'catholic church' genocide but rather a masssacre at a catholic church during an existing genocide. Was the purpose and intent of the school systems were to kill the pupils? I'm unconcinced the narrarive around the schools in Canada is pretty weak too - theres really no way to call that a genocide without deliberately hiding some or all of the facts. I'll have to double check but I think you're stretching things a good bit.
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throwawaygal7 5y ago

Could you list specific genocides you feel were mandated by the catholic church? What were the motives of the church to commit genocide? Are you conflating the Spanish and Portuguese conquests with catholic church mandated genocide? I used to be of your view but now I look at the Jesuit reductions and wonder if I might have been inheriting some black legend ideas from the last couple centuries.

honkycat 5y ago
- Catholic schools in Ireland - Catholic schools in Canada - Catholic schools in Australia - The Nyarubuye massacre Or do things conducted by catholic organizations on catholic property not meet your goalpost?
- throwawaygal7 5y ago
  And you think the above are genocides like the Armenian genocide or the holocaust? Organized and mandated as an official part of the church trying to eliminate a certain ethnic or national group? The only one that seems to fit the bill is the ethnic cleansing in Rawanda which didn't enjoy support of the international church hierarchy and is pretty recent. EDIT: This is actually a terrible example, the massacre happened at a catholic church where lay people and religious sisters were killed by another ethnic group. this is not fairly a 'catholic church' genocide but rather a masssacre at a catholic church during an existing genocide. Was the purpose and intent of the school systems were to kill the pupils? I'm unconcinced the narrarive around the schools in Canada is pretty weak too - theres really no way to call that a genocide without deliberately hiding some or all of the facts. I'll have to double check but I think you're stretching things a good bit.
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