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catholic priests have raped hundreds of kids but yeah it’s “wokism” that’s hurting religion

by micromacrofoot 5y ago

mensetmanusman 5y ago
Unfortunately so have teachers, coaches, police, politicians, neighbors, and family members.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  sure but we’re talking about the decline of religion here
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Is a religion defined by its outliers, or are humans complicated? :)
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      I'm not sure I'd call the Vatican an outlier... they were complicit for decades, the pope relocated one of the most high-profile abusers to Rome... ...and when does something stop being an outlier? the 10,000 children abused in the US? the 200,000 in France? tens of thousands in Australia? the 1300 mass graves of indigenous children in Canada? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971
      - jcranmer 5y ago
        > ...and when does something stop being an outlier? ... the 1300 mass graves of indigenous children in Canada? I wouldn't blame that on the Church--the secular boarding schools for indigenous children weren't any better.
      - micromacrofoot 5y ago
        >I wouldn't blame that on the Church--the secular boarding schools for indigenous children weren't any better. fair, but as someone else mentioned up stream... the catholic church has been claiming the moral high ground for centuries, turns out it was a bunch of nonsense and they're the same, if not worse, than everyone else
      - mensetmanusman 5y ago
        Those numbers, while horrible, work out to about a couple incidents per parish per generation when the time and population-scales are accounted for. Unfortunately some ~1-4% percentage of humans tend to abuse positions of power. We should always strive for more transparency because these people thrive in secrecy.
- moistly 5y ago
  Most of those don’t hold themselves up as moral authorities.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    and guess how people feel about the groups in that list that do...
nsxwolf 5y ago
So have adults in all organizations that mix adults and children. If you count public schools as a single organization, teachers are worse than priests.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  yeah but schools aren’t a single organization, the Vatican was aware of multiple cover ups and chose to stay silent
- trasz 5y ago
  Except that sex abuse in Catholic Church was (and to some extent still is) an organised endeavour. It wasn't something that some priests did, it was something that the entire Church cooperated on, up to (and including) Vatican. Do you remember how pedophile archbishop Wesołowski avoided all responsibility thanks to Vatican diplomatic immunity?

catholic priests have raped hundreds of kids but yeah it’s “wokism” that’s hurting religion

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Unfortunately so have teachers, coaches, police, politicians, neighbors, and family members.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
sure but we’re talking about the decline of religion here
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Is a religion defined by its outliers, or are humans complicated? :)
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    I'm not sure I'd call the Vatican an outlier... they were complicit for decades, the pope relocated one of the most high-profile abusers to Rome... ...and when does something stop being an outlier? the 10,000 children abused in the US? the 200,000 in France? tens of thousands in Australia? the 1300 mass graves of indigenous children in Canada? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971
    - jcranmer 5y ago
      > ...and when does something stop being an outlier? ... the 1300 mass graves of indigenous children in Canada? I wouldn't blame that on the Church--the secular boarding schools for indigenous children weren't any better.
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      >I wouldn't blame that on the Church--the secular boarding schools for indigenous children weren't any better. fair, but as someone else mentioned up stream... the catholic church has been claiming the moral high ground for centuries, turns out it was a bunch of nonsense and they're the same, if not worse, than everyone else
    - mensetmanusman 5y ago
      Those numbers, while horrible, work out to about a couple incidents per parish per generation when the time and population-scales are accounted for. Unfortunately some ~1-4% percentage of humans tend to abuse positions of power. We should always strive for more transparency because these people thrive in secrecy.
moistly 5y ago
Most of those don’t hold themselves up as moral authorities.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  and guess how people feel about the groups in that list that do...

nsxwolf 5y ago

So have adults in all organizations that mix adults and children. If you count public schools as a single organization, teachers are worse than priests.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
yeah but schools aren’t a single organization, the Vatican was aware of multiple cover ups and chose to stay silent
trasz 5y ago
Except that sex abuse in Catholic Church was (and to some extent still is) an organised endeavour. It wasn't something that some priests did, it was something that the entire Church cooperated on, up to (and including) Vatican. Do you remember how pedophile archbishop Wesołowski avoided all responsibility thanks to Vatican diplomatic immunity?