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Here's your regular reminder that this survey is a massively trailing indicator, meaning the events that led to this measurement have been decades in the making

by jawns 5y ago

Here's your regular reminder that this survey is a massively trailing indicator, meaning the events that led to this measurement have been decades in the making. I often tell people that in my grandparents' generation, people sent their kids to Catholic school because they wanted to reinforce the faith they were being exposed to at home. In my parents' generation, people sent their kids to Catholic school to fill in for the faith they were not being exposed to at home. And in my generation, people send their kids to Catholic school because the uniforms are cute. I jest, I jest, but this trend is being shaped by decades of changes in America's religious landscape. Just because the survey percentages have climbed significantly over the past 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that there is a recent impetus. I knew that this result was coming 30 years ago, when I noticed that relatively few of my classmates were in the pews on Sundays, because their parents weren't regular churchgoers. Now they're adults, and most are Nones. I guess if there's any silver lining, as someone who is still active in my faith, it's that as the numbers have dwindled, the people who have stuck around tend to be more engaged and more vibrant. Our parish started a Whole Family Religious Education Program, and unlike the CCD days when I was a kid, there are a nice group of parents who signed up and really want to learn more about their faith.

sharkweek 5y ago
I went to a small religious high school that was a weird mix of super religious kids with kids who were sent there because they got expelled from a different school and their parents were trying to "reform" them.
- GoblinSlayer 5y ago
  Do super religious kids have a better discipline w.r.t. education?
- zerocount 5y ago
  Were you super religious or being reformed?
908B64B197 5y ago
> And in my generation, people send their kids to Catholic school because the uniforms are cute. And because they are allowed to kick trouble makers. That's the main feature.
- etempleton 5y ago
  Changes the whole dynamic of any school. If public schools could kick out students for behavior there wouldn’t be near the incentive for private schools to exist. I also suspect student behavior would magically improve because the parents would have a real incentive to correct behavioral actions at home. If you want one thing to fix education in America this would be it. Parents need to be held accountable for the actions of their children and hold their children accountable as well and unfortunately many parents simply do not care. They see it as a free right to childcare and whatever happens at school is the school’s problem. And before anyone corrects me. Yes, you can get expelled from public school, but you really have to try these days and then after years and years of documented terrible behavior there probably has to be something so egregious and disturbing that there can be no objections any longer.
  - Auracle 5y ago
    Our school system had the “ALC” - alternative learning center. This was back in the aughts, and it was under the local bowling alley and the kids that went there were allowed to smoke. I’m pretty sure it was basically just a daycare for teenagers but it served its purpose.
  - mPReDiToR 5y ago
    I'm going to word this in a way which may take away from my score, but I hope my point is clear: We've raised a generation of people who watch reality TV and have elective surgery to ape yheir idols. Conversation has diminished, vocabulary moreso. Faux news, voting for people who wouldn't throw you a lifering if they had a factory producing them, the litigious society, the blame of victims, the disrespect for our fellow man, the lack of curiosity about how things work. How can these "parents" be held accountable for actions they don't understand or in many cases even care about? I heard it said well years ago: Back in my day, when a policeman brought a child home, the father would open the door, slap the child, send it to its room and then apologise to the cop for whatever happened. The new generation open the door and hug their child, then go on to accuse the police officer of traumatising their delicate little angel by being overbearing and wrong about whatever the accusation was. We've lost respect for authority because of abuse of power. We've lost faith in politics because it's basically red or blue. We've got to try and get paper results for our kids which have nothing to do with aptitude or ability, merely memory. So much wrong with the way I wrote that, but I'm passionate about it and don't know how to change it.
Thorentis 5y ago
Many people send their kids to religious schools because the quality is higher than public schools, but is cheaper than top tier private schools. The school fees (albeit cheaper than private schools) also provide a high pass filter so you end up with less riff-raff than the average public school.
- igetspam 5y ago
  This. My wife and I are not religious. I could be convinced to be agnostic but not really. She's all atheist. We've priced out private schools all over the country. The jesus ones are the only ones that are affordable and still haven't had any mass shootings. We won't put our kids in the hand of some weirdo cult but it's tempting.
  - BLKNSLVR 5y ago
    Similar situation here. >"The jesus ones" Perfectly described in as few words as possible.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  These kinds of school can end up with kids expelled from various other schools.

by jawns 5y ago

sharkweek 5y ago

I went to a small religious high school that was a weird mix of super religious kids with kids who were sent there because they got expelled from a different school and their parents were trying to "reform" them.

GoblinSlayer 5y ago
Do super religious kids have a better discipline w.r.t. education?
zerocount 5y ago
Were you super religious or being reformed?

908B64B197 5y ago

> And in my generation, people send their kids to Catholic school because the uniforms are cute. And because they are allowed to kick trouble makers. That's the main feature.

etempleton 5y ago
Changes the whole dynamic of any school. If public schools could kick out students for behavior there wouldn’t be near the incentive for private schools to exist. I also suspect student behavior would magically improve because the parents would have a real incentive to correct behavioral actions at home. If you want one thing to fix education in America this would be it. Parents need to be held accountable for the actions of their children and hold their children accountable as well and unfortunately many parents simply do not care. They see it as a free right to childcare and whatever happens at school is the school’s problem. And before anyone corrects me. Yes, you can get expelled from public school, but you really have to try these days and then after years and years of documented terrible behavior there probably has to be something so egregious and disturbing that there can be no objections any longer.
- Auracle 5y ago
  Our school system had the “ALC” - alternative learning center. This was back in the aughts, and it was under the local bowling alley and the kids that went there were allowed to smoke. I’m pretty sure it was basically just a daycare for teenagers but it served its purpose.
- mPReDiToR 5y ago
  I'm going to word this in a way which may take away from my score, but I hope my point is clear: We've raised a generation of people who watch reality TV and have elective surgery to ape yheir idols. Conversation has diminished, vocabulary moreso. Faux news, voting for people who wouldn't throw you a lifering if they had a factory producing them, the litigious society, the blame of victims, the disrespect for our fellow man, the lack of curiosity about how things work. How can these "parents" be held accountable for actions they don't understand or in many cases even care about? I heard it said well years ago: Back in my day, when a policeman brought a child home, the father would open the door, slap the child, send it to its room and then apologise to the cop for whatever happened. The new generation open the door and hug their child, then go on to accuse the police officer of traumatising their delicate little angel by being overbearing and wrong about whatever the accusation was. We've lost respect for authority because of abuse of power. We've lost faith in politics because it's basically red or blue. We've got to try and get paper results for our kids which have nothing to do with aptitude or ability, merely memory. So much wrong with the way I wrote that, but I'm passionate about it and don't know how to change it.

Thorentis 5y ago

Many people send their kids to religious schools because the quality is higher than public schools, but is cheaper than top tier private schools. The school fees (albeit cheaper than private schools) also provide a high pass filter so you end up with less riff-raff than the average public school.

igetspam 5y ago
This. My wife and I are not religious. I could be convinced to be agnostic but not really. She's all atheist. We've priced out private schools all over the country. The jesus ones are the only ones that are affordable and still haven't had any mass shootings. We won't put our kids in the hand of some weirdo cult but it's tempting.
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  Similar situation here. >"The jesus ones" Perfectly described in as few words as possible.
sudosysgen 5y ago
These kinds of school can end up with kids expelled from various other schools.