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Disagree! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29456115#29456758 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29456115#29456758

by GhettoComputers 5y ago

howinteresting 5y ago
I like the uutils idea but they have a very long way to go. The GNU coreutils are still the very best you can get.
- trasz 5y ago
  GNU coreutils are an exercise in software bloat.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Can you quantify that? How is it the best or better than the rust ones?
  - howinteresting 5y ago
    No, of course I can't quantify that. Not everything in life is quantifiable. But I can tell you from over 15 years of experience writing shell scripts across Linux and MacOS that the GNU coreutils are superior. Little things like 'find -name' without '.' working, to bigger ones like 'sed -i' and 'readlink -f'. I love Rust but uutils are really not mature enough, which is understandable given how new they are -- the linked thread has examples of where they fall short. I would be delighted to start using them once they become drop-in replacements for GNU coreutils (so existing shell scripts don't break). Meanwhile, I use fd and bat in interactive shells (but can't use them in shell scripts distributed to others obviously).
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      >The GNU coreutils are still the very best you can get. I don't understand this statement then, have you heard of this https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md It sounds like you want bash POSIX support and it to be default before you would use them. The error nobody else replicated, and its stable enough to be included in debian. https://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2021/03/09/debian-running-on-rust-coreutils https://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2021/03/09/debian-running-...
    - trasz 5y ago
      All the little things you’ve mentioned above are there in FreeBSD. You seem to be mistaking “BSD coreutils” with “Mac userland”.
      - howinteresting 5y ago
        Yes it does look like you're right. Thanks for correcting me about this—it looks like it's just the Mac userland that sucks.

Disagree! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29456115#29456758 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29456115#29456758

howinteresting 5y ago

I like the uutils idea but they have a very long way to go. The GNU coreutils are still the very best you can get.

trasz 5y ago
GNU coreutils are an exercise in software bloat.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
Can you quantify that? How is it the best or better than the rust ones?
- howinteresting 5y ago
  No, of course I can't quantify that. Not everything in life is quantifiable. But I can tell you from over 15 years of experience writing shell scripts across Linux and MacOS that the GNU coreutils are superior. Little things like 'find -name' without '.' working, to bigger ones like 'sed -i' and 'readlink -f'. I love Rust but uutils are really not mature enough, which is understandable given how new they are -- the linked thread has examples of where they fall short. I would be delighted to start using them once they become drop-in replacements for GNU coreutils (so existing shell scripts don't break). Meanwhile, I use fd and bat in interactive shells (but can't use them in shell scripts distributed to others obviously).
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    >The GNU coreutils are still the very best you can get. I don't understand this statement then, have you heard of this https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md It sounds like you want bash POSIX support and it to be default before you would use them. The error nobody else replicated, and its stable enough to be included in debian. https://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2021/03/09/debian-running-on-rust-coreutils https://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2021/03/09/debian-running-...
  - trasz 5y ago
    All the little things you’ve mentioned above are there in FreeBSD. You seem to be mistaking “BSD coreutils” with “Mac userland”.
    - howinteresting 5y ago
      Yes it does look like you're right. Thanks for correcting me about this—it looks like it's just the Mac userland that sucks.