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sexual advances have always been inappropriate at work.
by dtjb 5y ago
sexual advances have always been inappropriate at work.
- jandrese 5y agoInappropriate yes, but the big difference is they are no longer tolerated. In the old days the worst a guy might expect is getting slapped on the face or maybe an aside from the boss telling them to knock it off. These days you get fired and blacklisted. The stakes are much higher.
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- Smoofer 5y agoThis seems like a positive to me?
- jandrese 5y agoI didn't mean to come across like this is a bad thing. I was just pointing out that the world has changed and not everybody has realized it yet.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoI would agree with that if we could change one phrase in the parent post: If instead of saying "It" (with "sexual advances" being the antecedent), the post had said "sexual harassment", I'd have been on board. This sounds like nitpicking but it isn't. People use "advances" and "harassment" as synonyms. They should not be.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoWhat about school? I'm not just talking about disrespect. Disrespect is bad in almost almost all contexts. Because, I have to be clear: Asking someone on a date is a sexual advance.
- jandrese 5y agoNobody is getting fired for asking someone if they want to go out for drinks after work. The people who got fired are the ones who couldn't take "no" for an answer and got weird/creepy about it.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoI think Andrew Cuomo would disagree. Granted, he's a political target.
- tomjakubowski 5y agoCuomo's alleged behavior goes well beyond asking an employee out for drinks.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoLast I heard, people were going after him for sending jocular texts about "mingle mamas" going to Las Vegas, and asking a staffer if she'd ever consider a relationship with an older man. He wasn't exactly Comrade Beria.
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y agoIf you stand by the door asking every woman who walks by if they'd like to go out with you (no, I'm not making this up. It actually happened in college), I'd say that's a bad idea and not going to end well. If you see someone who's attractive and you managed to strike up a few conversations with them and it seems that they like you, then I'd say that asking them out is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoOn the contrary, it is a pretty effective tactic that ends well for many people. The variation I am more familiar with is going around a party and telling people strangers you have a condom that is going to expire and you don't want to waste it. I know a few people who have gotten laid this way. Not all environments are safe spaces where sexual advances are inappropriate, nor should they be. People should however be polite and take no for an answer.
- germinalphrase 5y agoCharitably, their point is that we all work too much.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoThat's a big part of it. And that the sphere of "professionalism" has expanded too far outside of work, even when you're not actually working.
- fxtentacle 5y agoIsn't "at work" the #1 top place where couples meet in real life? (Used to be for the 1970s generation, now it's "through friends" and then "at work") https://www.bustle.com/p/the-most-popular-ways-people-are-meeting-their-significant-others-in-2018-8075828 https://www.bustle.com/p/the-most-popular-ways-people-are-me...
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoI think the empirical change you find there is a direct consequence of what I'm talking about.
- thomastjeffery 5y agoSure. That doesn't change the surrounding factors that make this situation more likely.