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That's not how words work. You propose a term, and either it catches on or it doesn't, and this one has caught on. I don't know what committee of developers "t

That's not how words work. You propose a term, and either it catches on or it doesn't, and this one has caught on. I don't know what committee of developers "that don't own/trade cryptocurrencies" you imagine exists that has some authority on what marketing terms you can use on twitter, or why a group explicitly disinterested in a topic should be consulted in the creation of those terms...

acdha 5y ago
It’s not so much proposing a word rather than trying to take over a popular one in an effort to shed the negative reputation which years of failure had given your first one. It’s not surprising that people who work on the web don’t want their hard work being coopted to bail the cryptocurrency guys out of a mess they talked themselves into.
- carlosdp 5y ago
  This literally sounds like the whole "your gay marriage is ruining my marriage, just by existing" argument, but for the web. Like, what are we talking about here?
  - acdha 5y ago
    Something called “web” should use web technologies and culture? This feels like if the Git developers had tried to call it Web 3 — irrespective of the merits of the tool, it’s weird to present your business as the successor to a community you’re not part of.
    - carlosdp 5y ago
      How are we not part of the web community? Literally everything in web3 is built on the web using web technology and web primitives. Hell, our standards processes are even inspired by W3C/RFC process. I also challenge the notion web3 is a "sucessor" to the web. I wouldn't call web 2.0 (the social web) a "successor", it didn't replace anything. It's just a descriptor for a different user/product relationship. Web 1 -> read only Web 2 -> read/write (comments, primarily user-generated content) Web 3 -> read/write/own (users "own" the content)
- fastball 5y ago
  "web3" was certainly not a popular term before it was popularized by Ethereum / the crypto space. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=web3 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=web3
  - acdha 5y ago
    No, the semweb people didn’t make that stick but cryptocurrencies don’t have much to do with the web, either. It’s a different model, tech stack, and culture and that’s what I was referring to.
    - fastball 5y ago
      Given how the primary way you interact with (cryptocurrency) web3 is through web browsers, I think it's pretty silly to say it doesn't have much to do with the web.
- ShamelessC 5y ago
  Exactly. The crypto community co-opted "Web 3.0" as "requires crypto to use the web" but didnt realize how tonedeaf they were being because of the echo chamber they put themselves in. The reality is that programming work surrounding payments and/or finance is going to be deeply unappealing to most devs as it is incredibly dry and extremely tedious.
  - carlosdp 5y ago
    I'm a dev/CTO full-time in Web3, we work on smart contracts and all that, we spend 0 time thinking about payments and finance. You're talking about DeFi, there's a LOT more stuff in web3 now that can only be classified as finance as much as any startup that uses Stripe to collect money can be classified as "finance".
    - ShamelessC 5y ago
      > I'm a dev/CTO full-time in Web3, we work on smart contracts and all that, we spend 0 time thinking about payments and finance. You're talking about DeFi, there's a LOT more stuff in web3 now that can only be classified as finance as much as any startup that uses Stripe to collect money can be classified as "finance". Apologies, as an outsider I'm sure I have used some conflated terms. To clarify, I was explicitly referring to smart contracts (and the like). These programmed arrangements carry with them the minutiae and stress of what I imagine programming at a bank or large financial institution would be like. Coding a bug in a smart contract or at a bank can have very severe consequences. It should be done with the utmost care by highly skilled persons, not your average web programmer (which is the position you are taking by calling this stuff Web 3 and when, for instance, Ethereum decides to base its smart contract language on JavaScript). While this is true for some specific segments of the current internet, it is not inherently true. Or rather, as a programmer, I can choose to avoid such fraught tasks.

acdha 5y ago

It’s not so much proposing a word rather than trying to take over a popular one in an effort to shed the negative reputation which years of failure had given your first one. It’s not surprising that people who work on the web don’t want their hard work being coopted to bail the cryptocurrency guys out of a mess they talked themselves into.

carlosdp 5y ago
This literally sounds like the whole "your gay marriage is ruining my marriage, just by existing" argument, but for the web. Like, what are we talking about here?
- acdha 5y ago
  Something called “web” should use web technologies and culture? This feels like if the Git developers had tried to call it Web 3 — irrespective of the merits of the tool, it’s weird to present your business as the successor to a community you’re not part of.
  - carlosdp 5y ago
    How are we not part of the web community? Literally everything in web3 is built on the web using web technology and web primitives. Hell, our standards processes are even inspired by W3C/RFC process. I also challenge the notion web3 is a "sucessor" to the web. I wouldn't call web 2.0 (the social web) a "successor", it didn't replace anything. It's just a descriptor for a different user/product relationship. Web 1 -> read only Web 2 -> read/write (comments, primarily user-generated content) Web 3 -> read/write/own (users "own" the content)
fastball 5y ago
"web3" was certainly not a popular term before it was popularized by Ethereum / the crypto space. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=web3 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=web3
- acdha 5y ago
  No, the semweb people didn’t make that stick but cryptocurrencies don’t have much to do with the web, either. It’s a different model, tech stack, and culture and that’s what I was referring to.
  - fastball 5y ago
    Given how the primary way you interact with (cryptocurrency) web3 is through web browsers, I think it's pretty silly to say it doesn't have much to do with the web.
ShamelessC 5y ago
Exactly. The crypto community co-opted "Web 3.0" as "requires crypto to use the web" but didnt realize how tonedeaf they were being because of the echo chamber they put themselves in. The reality is that programming work surrounding payments and/or finance is going to be deeply unappealing to most devs as it is incredibly dry and extremely tedious.
- carlosdp 5y ago
  I'm a dev/CTO full-time in Web3, we work on smart contracts and all that, we spend 0 time thinking about payments and finance. You're talking about DeFi, there's a LOT more stuff in web3 now that can only be classified as finance as much as any startup that uses Stripe to collect money can be classified as "finance".
  - ShamelessC 5y ago
    > I'm a dev/CTO full-time in Web3, we work on smart contracts and all that, we spend 0 time thinking about payments and finance. You're talking about DeFi, there's a LOT more stuff in web3 now that can only be classified as finance as much as any startup that uses Stripe to collect money can be classified as "finance". Apologies, as an outsider I'm sure I have used some conflated terms. To clarify, I was explicitly referring to smart contracts (and the like). These programmed arrangements carry with them the minutiae and stress of what I imagine programming at a bank or large financial institution would be like. Coding a bug in a smart contract or at a bank can have very severe consequences. It should be done with the utmost care by highly skilled persons, not your average web programmer (which is the position you are taking by calling this stuff Web 3 and when, for instance, Ethereum decides to base its smart contract language on JavaScript). While this is true for some specific segments of the current internet, it is not inherently true. Or rather, as a programmer, I can choose to avoid such fraught tasks.