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Shenanigans like that the product owe to its author, Ilfak Guilfanov, who's a bit of a meme in the ex-USSR SRE community. Back in the '00s, when IDA pretty much

by rene77 5y ago

Shenanigans like that the product owe to its author, Ilfak Guilfanov, who's a bit of a meme in the ex-USSR SRE community. Back in the '00s, when IDA pretty much had no alternative, one couldn't just buy it. No, to pay them money, you had to be either an estabilished name (ESET or Kaspersky worked just fine), or to subtly caress the author's ego until it gives. And I've seen paying customers being kicked off the support forum for asking uncomfortable questions, complete with rude private messages. I believe that at least twice, unrelated hackers took offense and leaked the full version anyway. Fun times.

pelagicAustral 5y ago
Haha yes. I remember that NFO like very few, perhaps m00 nfos but that’s it. The leaked IDA pro was fenomenal, can’t think of the group name to see if I can find it around. I’ll make an effort.
jjoonathan 5y ago
Yeah, B2B is a wild world and this was my first time going for a ride. Ah well. You live you learn. Speaking of which, last time this came up on HN ilfak cruised into the comments a week later, all "I can not find your nickname in our database," and I didn't see the reply until a year later. Well, the HexRays database had no problem finding my-nickname-at-gmail for the purposes of bugging me to renew, and just in case anyone thinks I'm making this up, here's the order. I also have an email with the download link and serial number -- the ones that didn't work -- and the ghosted support requests spread throughout the following year. I'm sure this is a Hanlon's Razor thing, I just want to make sure that any naive young hackers considering the possibility of a last-time-buy on a perpetual license understand what they are getting into. ************************************************************ * Your order has been accepted. ************************************************************ Please retain this receipt for your records. This e-mail confirms your order placed with Hex-Rays. Payment data ------------ Beneficiary : Hex-Rays Address : Rue Rennequin Sualem 34 BE-4000 Liege Website address : http://www.hex-rays.com General conditions : https://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/t&c.pdf Order date : 15/05/2016 22:40:05 Order reference : deWerd_4732_20160515 Ogone Payment reference : 3016168801 Order description : IDA license Total : 1129.00 USD Charging method : MasterCard XXXXXXXXXXXX---- Sub-brand : UNDEFINED Status : Authorised Authorisation code : ------
- no_time 5y ago
  Did you do a bank chargeback? Losing $1k like that is brutal.
  - vizzah 5y ago
    Should have done, of course. Most likely you were suspected to be buying for a warez group release =)
pelagicAustral 5y ago
Found the NFO! Some bits: Sorry for the English, I do not speak well -- so, some idioms may be translated directly and be incorrect for understanding for native. This release should serve as a life lesson to those who consider themselves as "people 'blue' blood." It aims - in some ways to bring down pride (swallow their pride), to tell these people where to get off. Show that, besides them, there are other people who should at least respect, appreciate their work and consider to their opinions (or at least listen to). This release is dedicated to one man and one company, which behave antisocial, defiant, arrogant, are not considered to anybody or anything, and therefore need to conduct a little "educational" work from the community. *** Let's start in order: one man - Ilfak Guilfanov. I wanted to write a lot, then I thought - it makes no sense. And so, in principle, nothing much to tell. Those who are "in" know a lot about this person. It is impossible to buy IDA even if you really want to do. I described some details about this in my blog, 'ida' tag (do not linking here, if you need - you will find it). Also, you can read some more here (Russian only): I apologize to crackers who were recruited in HexRays SA, you are in some measure also falls under attack. But your head, sadly, leaves no other choice. In December 2007, after a memorable revelations of Ilfak in the topic http://www.idapro.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=463, occurred after warez-release of the IDA v5.5, I created another topic http://www.idapro.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458. In it I outlined some thoughts about "double standards" of the author of IDA. Just a small example. Struck up a brief conversation, which resulted in Ilfak behaved absolutely inadequate (in his usual manner) and I was banned on the forum. But that's not all. Before I was banned, he is sent me a private message (PM): I recommend to reconsider your attitude to people and to express your thoughts in dealing with them. In any case, at the moment you "reap" is what you had "sow" by yourself. I do not soft-pedal such things. *** Next: company - ESET - NOD Antivirus developer There is a saying: "Curses like chickens come home to roost" (I have already voiced it in relation to you in 2008-2009th years). Now it's time. So, the characters from ESET (a minimum): * J M - the main short-sighted and po-faced personage * M Z (Customer [Un]Care; z@eset.sk) * D N (Virus Researcher) The ESET company treats software developers (small companies and individual developers of shareware-products) as a shit, and does not hide this. Full version: https://pastebin.com/2EXSaq11 https://pastebin.com/2EXSaq11 hahaha I knew it was legendary NFO.

by rene77 5y ago

pelagicAustral 5y ago

Haha yes. I remember that NFO like very few, perhaps m00 nfos but that’s it. The leaked IDA pro was fenomenal, can’t think of the group name to see if I can find it around. I’ll make an effort.

jjoonathan 5y ago

Yeah, B2B is a wild world and this was my first time going for a ride. Ah well. You live you learn. Speaking of which, last time this came up on HN ilfak cruised into the comments a week later, all "I can not find your nickname in our database," and I didn't see the reply until a year later. Well, the HexRays database had no problem finding my-nickname-at-gmail for the purposes of bugging me to renew, and just in case anyone thinks I'm making this up, here's the order. I also have an email with the download link and serial number -- the ones that didn't work -- and the ghosted support requests spread throughout the following year. I'm sure this is a Hanlon's Razor thing, I just want to make sure that any naive young hackers considering the possibility of a last-time-buy on a perpetual license understand what they are getting into. ************************************************************ * Your order has been accepted. ************************************************************ Please retain this receipt for your records. This e-mail confirms your order placed with Hex-Rays. Payment data ------------ Beneficiary : Hex-Rays Address : Rue Rennequin Sualem 34 BE-4000 Liege Website address : http://www.hex-rays.com General conditions : https://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/t&c.pdf Order date : 15/05/2016 22:40:05 Order reference : deWerd_4732_20160515 Ogone Payment reference : 3016168801 Order description : IDA license Total : 1129.00 USD Charging method : MasterCard XXXXXXXXXXXX---- Sub-brand : UNDEFINED Status : Authorised Authorisation code : ------

no_time 5y ago
Did you do a bank chargeback? Losing $1k like that is brutal.
- vizzah 5y ago
  Should have done, of course. Most likely you were suspected to be buying for a warez group release =)

pelagicAustral 5y ago

Found the NFO! Some bits: Sorry for the English, I do not speak well -- so, some idioms may be translated directly and be incorrect for understanding for native. This release should serve as a life lesson to those who consider themselves as "people 'blue' blood." It aims - in some ways to bring down pride (swallow their pride), to tell these people where to get off. Show that, besides them, there are other people who should at least respect, appreciate their work and consider to their opinions (or at least listen to). This release is dedicated to one man and one company, which behave antisocial, defiant, arrogant, are not considered to anybody or anything, and therefore need to conduct a little "educational" work from the community. *** Let's start in order: one man - Ilfak Guilfanov. I wanted to write a lot, then I thought - it makes no sense. And so, in principle, nothing much to tell. Those who are "in" know a lot about this person. It is impossible to buy IDA even if you really want to do. I described some details about this in my blog, 'ida' tag (do not linking here, if you need - you will find it). Also, you can read some more here (Russian only): I apologize to crackers who were recruited in HexRays SA, you are in some measure also falls under attack. But your head, sadly, leaves no other choice. In December 2007, after a memorable revelations of Ilfak in the topic http://www.idapro.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=463, occurred after warez-release of the IDA v5.5, I created another topic http://www.idapro.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458. In it I outlined some thoughts about "double standards" of the author of IDA. Just a small example. Struck up a brief conversation, which resulted in Ilfak behaved absolutely inadequate (in his usual manner) and I was banned on the forum. But that's not all. Before I was banned, he is sent me a private message (PM): I recommend to reconsider your attitude to people and to express your thoughts in dealing with them. In any case, at the moment you "reap" is what you had "sow" by yourself. I do not soft-pedal such things. *** Next: company - ESET - NOD Antivirus developer There is a saying: "Curses like chickens come home to roost" (I have already voiced it in relation to you in 2008-2009th years). Now it's time. So, the characters from ESET (a minimum): * J M - the main short-sighted and po-faced personage * M Z (Customer [Un]Care; z@eset.sk) * D N (Virus Researcher) The ESET company treats software developers (small companies and individual developers of shareware-products) as a shit, and does not hide this. Full version: https://pastebin.com/2EXSaq11 https://pastebin.com/2EXSaq11 hahaha I knew it was legendary NFO.