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China = Enemy /of the entire world/. You forgot that last part. China's trade dealings are outright hostile. China's overlooking slave-wages, and suicides ti

China = Enemy /of the entire world/. You forgot that last part. China's trade dealings are outright hostile. China's overlooking slave-wages, and suicides tied to working conditions or lack thereof. China must be considered /by all/ to be an enemy of the rest of the globe. This is not saying that the Chinese populace are enemies, but the Chinese Government, which controls the populace, is most definitely so.

ashwagary 5y ago
>China = enemy of the entire world This is a mostly western view since westerners engaged in a zero sum conflict with the oldest super power on the planet to gain temporary economic advantages for the last 100 years or so... most of the world doesn't agree with that view of China even with the $ billions ($trillions?) of anti-Chinese propaganda spending by the west.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
I think what they did in Africa is fantastic compared to what the western powers did for over a century, building infrastructure (mostly for extraction, but also civilian use) is much better than the western world funding warlords to capture mines for slave labor to fund our electronics fetish. Instead of causing more harm they gave them a bad deal, but much better than anything the west offered in which they funded groups of militia that caused harm to the common people. If you consider the alternative, it is much kinder, I wish the US would use less shock and awe, but when it refuses to build infrastructure even in its own country, what do you expect? The US is not a building civilization, its power and culture is warmongering and resource extraction, not long term planning outside the US or internally. America as the world police/bully and China leverages itself by being slightly better. The US should offer a better deal than China can, its better than bombing the shit out of people, scaring them with weapons, and having them hate us for killing their countrymen or family.
- catlikesshrimp 5y ago
  China is the country forcing small states to cut ties with Taiwan. And don't even think about saying it is not forcing them, because I have lived in two such countries in Central America where Taiwan was a hefty money donor.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    What does this have to do with how its benefited Africa? Taiwan has few allies, but I still fail to understand what does it gain from sending money to Haiti? From a realpolitik standpoint, you can choose a small island that makes mostly advanced microchips or a large country that makes everything. Are you going to say they didn't make a rational choice in allies?
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- country_g 5y ago
  Astroturf alert - if you’re going to shill the Belt & Road at least mention it by name and hit that KPI

ashwagary 5y ago

>China = enemy of the entire world This is a mostly western view since westerners engaged in a zero sum conflict with the oldest super power on the planet to gain temporary economic advantages for the last 100 years or so... most of the world doesn't agree with that view of China even with the $ billions ($trillions?) of anti-Chinese propaganda spending by the west.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

I think what they did in Africa is fantastic compared to what the western powers did for over a century, building infrastructure (mostly for extraction, but also civilian use) is much better than the western world funding warlords to capture mines for slave labor to fund our electronics fetish. Instead of causing more harm they gave them a bad deal, but much better than anything the west offered in which they funded groups of militia that caused harm to the common people. If you consider the alternative, it is much kinder, I wish the US would use less shock and awe, but when it refuses to build infrastructure even in its own country, what do you expect? The US is not a building civilization, its power and culture is warmongering and resource extraction, not long term planning outside the US or internally. America as the world police/bully and China leverages itself by being slightly better. The US should offer a better deal than China can, its better than bombing the shit out of people, scaring them with weapons, and having them hate us for killing their countrymen or family.

catlikesshrimp 5y ago
China is the country forcing small states to cut ties with Taiwan. And don't even think about saying it is not forcing them, because I have lived in two such countries in Central America where Taiwan was a hefty money donor.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  What does this have to do with how its benefited Africa? Taiwan has few allies, but I still fail to understand what does it gain from sending money to Haiti? From a realpolitik standpoint, you can choose a small island that makes mostly advanced microchips or a large country that makes everything. Are you going to say they didn't make a rational choice in allies?
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country_g 5y ago
Astroturf alert - if you’re going to shill the Belt & Road at least mention it by name and hit that KPI