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I'm actually pretty left leaning and pro UBI and socialized healthcare and education But I'm also against lies and propaganda. And the narrative here is a per

I'm actually pretty left leaning and pro UBI and socialized healthcare and education But I'm also against lies and propaganda. And the narrative here is a perfect example of how identity politics are damaging to the country as a whole. This is equivalent to conservatives demonizing liberals for being 'communists'. Its inaccurate, wrong, polarizing, and the media and the people in power benefit while the rest of us hate each other a little more.

ShamelessC 5y ago
Can you respond to this? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". > The overall context of course was that many of these people believed themselves that they were there to prevent the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  > the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. By protesting or by....insurrection? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". As much as the BLM damaging the federal building in Vegas was an 'attack on democracy'? That's a sensationalist interpretation. It's most likely average people doing emotional things while angry and things got out of hand, not some organized conspiracy. It's your ideology that wants to look for reasons to demonize them instead of just be understanding of them. If we looked at everyone more charitably , even people we disagree with, I think we would advance much farther as a species.
  - ShamelessC 5y ago
    I never said most of the things you're claiming I posited. For what it's worth, you should try assuming good faith when you debate people here. It's in the rules first off, but it leads to better and more interesting discussion. > the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. > By protesting or by....insurrection? Fucking what? Just answer the question. By any method available including but not limited to straight up grabbing the ballot box and destroying them. If that is by "protest" or by "insurrection" is so irrelevant to my question. Are you even talking to me? Or some fictitious embodiment of all the internet people who disagree with you? > It's most likely average people doing emotional things while angry and things got out of hand, not some organized conspiracy. I did not ask if it was an organized conspiracy and I don't think it was. I asked if it was an attack on democracy. I mean that in the most literal sense and when I ask that I'm referring explicitly to the efforts to find and destroy the electoral ballots. > If we looked at everyone more charitably , even people we disagree with, I think we would advance much farther as a species. My interpretation of the events was that those people have basically been screwed over by decades of bad federal policy in the US, including by Trump. But Trump gave them an outlet for that rage. Anyone who broke the law should have their day in court but no, I don't think those people are somehow innately evil/horrible. Please stop assuming. > As much as the BLM damaging the federal building in Vegas was an 'attack on democracy'? Are you familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism? Because this is about as low-hanging as the fruit gets for whataboutism and it's an argument I've seen re-iterated ad infinitum. It's different because of the things I said (which you didn't care to respond to) - namely, that the joint assembly was confirming the electoral ballots in the case of the Capitol in DC.
    - edmcnulty101 5y ago
      > you should try assuming good faith > Fucking what? Just answer the question. ---- It's not an insurrection or an attack on democracy or any sensationalized label you want to attach to it. I'm sorry your argument lacks any evidence other than subjectively trying to determine 'intent' and one off wingnuts whose significance is being blown out of proportion, with no hard objective facts to support this being an confirmed insurrection. If you want to believe it was an insurrection or attack on democracy and demonize your fellow citizens, despite the lack of objective evidence, go right on ahead!

ShamelessC 5y ago

Can you respond to this? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". > The overall context of course was that many of these people believed themselves that they were there to prevent the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly.

edmcnulty101 5y ago
> the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. By protesting or by....insurrection? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". As much as the BLM damaging the federal building in Vegas was an 'attack on democracy'? That's a sensationalist interpretation. It's most likely average people doing emotional things while angry and things got out of hand, not some organized conspiracy. It's your ideology that wants to look for reasons to demonize them instead of just be understanding of them. If we looked at everyone more charitably , even people we disagree with, I think we would advance much farther as a species.
- ShamelessC 5y ago
  I never said most of the things you're claiming I posited. For what it's worth, you should try assuming good faith when you debate people here. It's in the rules first off, but it leads to better and more interesting discussion. > the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. > By protesting or by....insurrection? Fucking what? Just answer the question. By any method available including but not limited to straight up grabbing the ballot box and destroying them. If that is by "protest" or by "insurrection" is so irrelevant to my question. Are you even talking to me? Or some fictitious embodiment of all the internet people who disagree with you? > It's most likely average people doing emotional things while angry and things got out of hand, not some organized conspiracy. I did not ask if it was an organized conspiracy and I don't think it was. I asked if it was an attack on democracy. I mean that in the most literal sense and when I ask that I'm referring explicitly to the efforts to find and destroy the electoral ballots. > If we looked at everyone more charitably , even people we disagree with, I think we would advance much farther as a species. My interpretation of the events was that those people have basically been screwed over by decades of bad federal policy in the US, including by Trump. But Trump gave them an outlet for that rage. Anyone who broke the law should have their day in court but no, I don't think those people are somehow innately evil/horrible. Please stop assuming. > As much as the BLM damaging the federal building in Vegas was an 'attack on democracy'? Are you familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism? Because this is about as low-hanging as the fruit gets for whataboutism and it's an argument I've seen re-iterated ad infinitum. It's different because of the things I said (which you didn't care to respond to) - namely, that the joint assembly was confirming the electoral ballots in the case of the Capitol in DC.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    > you should try assuming good faith > Fucking what? Just answer the question. ---- It's not an insurrection or an attack on democracy or any sensationalized label you want to attach to it. I'm sorry your argument lacks any evidence other than subjectively trying to determine 'intent' and one off wingnuts whose significance is being blown out of proportion, with no hard objective facts to support this being an confirmed insurrection. If you want to believe it was an insurrection or attack on democracy and demonize your fellow citizens, despite the lack of objective evidence, go right on ahead!