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> To achieve the “org-level” impact, principal engineers need to be very selective on what to work on and use as much leverage as they can. For example, to set
by SavantIdiot 5y ago
> To achieve the “org-level” impact, principal engineers need to be very selective on what to work on and use as much leverage as they can. For example, to set them up for success and maximize their influence, a principal engineer usually directly reports to a “director-level” engineering leader.
Whoa, that is a cynical take and smells a little of sour grapes.
I 100% agree that the PE title is abused both out of nepotism, and out of site-wide populism, but the intent is relatively pure, at least at large companies where the title actually matters:
There are some engineers that are so good at solving problems that they can be dropped into any crisis situation and help fix it, like a special forces soldier. After 30+ years in engineering I've seen them in action, and most of the time they deserve the title. They are just that good. Those are your PEs.
However, you need a large enough sample population to produce PEs because it is based on relative performance. It is harder to identify one in a group of 10, but in a division of 1000 it becomes abundantly clear.
Typically how you become a PE is by waiting in line and keeping at what you do, because usually there are only so many PE's promoted per year to help mitigate abuse of the system (there will be some in bigger organizations). This idea of being selective is ... misguided. You don't really have a choice.
Now combine those last two paragraphs and I can see how it appears there is room for gaming the system by only picking cherry products. However, it is unlikely you would be able to say to a VP or GM, "Hey, I want to work on THAT project, not this crap one you stuck me on, because I want more visibility for promotion!" Maybe that'll work, but good luck?
- xxpor 5y ago>However, it is unlikely you would be able to say to a VP or GM, "Hey, I want to work on THAT project, not this crap one you stuck me on, because I want more visibility for promotion!" I think this is very dependent on the incentives that are set up for the GM. If they're being judged on how they're developing their org, and number of promotions is looked at, now they may agree with you that the non-crap thing is the best thing to work on. There's also the more implicit side of it, where if you're just generally good at what you do (or more cynically, if you're on the manager's good side for whatever reason), they'll be more inclined to let you work on what you want regardless of the motivations.
- SavantIdiot 5y agoThis is what I was referring to with site-level bias. I've seen certain sites brag about their # of principal engineers. Ultimately sites are handed jobs based on their past performance, but this abuse of the system remains. I'm being a little naive, but that's just me, and these abuses aren't that frequent.
- sciurus 5y ago> There are some engineers that are so good at solving problems that they can be dropped into any crisis situation and help fix it... Those are your PEs. I agree that "the solver" is one flavor of the role, but I think there are a few other valid ones too. Many of the staff+ engineers I've interacted with fall in the "tech lead" or "architect" category. https://staffeng.com/guides/staff-archetypes https://staffeng.com/guides/staff-archetypes