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Would you attend the game if it were 11 people? Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people. https://www.iihs.org

by aantix 5y ago

Would you attend the game if it were 11 people? Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state#fatal-crash-totals https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people This is a ludicrous abuse of statistics. 11 fatalities per 100k people is 11 fatalities per 100k people's worth of trips. That is a few orders of magnitude less than executing 11 people out of every 100k who show up to a stadium.
ceejayoz 5y ago
Driving has benefits. Getting infected with COVID does not.
- mixedCase 5y ago
  Except COVID is not the end goal here, it is living a full life in proximity to other human beings that comes with a risk of getting COVID. It is no different in purpose than driving for the most part.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    There's a wide spectrum of precautions available. I traveled overseas recently, but I KN95 masked on the plane and tested before departure and on arrival. I felt like I was living a pretty full life in Bora Bora, while also taking steps to ensure the safety of myself and others around me. Same thing with driving; we have a variety of safety precautions - quite a few of them mandatory - involved that help tilt the cost/benefit balance in our favor.
    - adolph 5y ago
      Why travel anywhere if you are living a flu life in Bora Bora?
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        Unfortunately, that was my travel destination, so I only got a week there. I heartily recommend a visit.
        adolph 5y ago
        It’s a pity you and your fellow travelers are destroying the world with your carbon emissions. Good thing you wear a mask tho.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        Good news: you can address that, if you're so inclined. https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/global-citizenship/environment/carbon-offset-program.html https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/global-citizens...
        adolph 5y ago
        With our Eco-Skies® CarbonChoice carbon offset sponsorship program, we’ll purchase carbon offsets on behalf of our customers so all their corporate air travel with us is 100% carbon neutral. So they will buy carbon indulgences for your corporate trip to Bora Bora but not regular travelers?
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        It's presented as an option on checkout for any United flight, or you can do it directly after the fact at https://united.conservation.org/ https://united.conservation.org/. $34 for my round trip.
- rajup 5y ago
  Getting back to life with COVID with the appropriate amount of precautions and restrictions has benefits. Current hysteria and alarmism shows we are not there yet.
- slingnow 5y ago
  These statements don't follow from anything anyone has said. You would need to compare the benefits of driving to the benefits of living a normal life, and compare that to the risks of dying from each. Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits? What are you trying to say?
  - landemva 5y ago
    'Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits?' Why do you think you get a choice? Without extreme measures of staying locked up, most everyone will encounter the virus. Why not help your body deal with it by going for a walk today to get some exercise? Life is to live, not eat ourselves to overweight deaths.
- megablast 5y ago
  Yes. Pollution. Destruction of land. Serious injury. Noise. Urban sprawl. So many benefits.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  > Getting infected with COVID does not. Going to a live game has benefits. Do those not matter?
jonathanstrange 5y ago
That risk is an order of magnitude lower. Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year.
- kenjackson 5y ago
  Correct. It is about 1 death per 100 million miles driven per the table given by the other commenter. Those are actually much better odds than I was expecting!
  - clairity 5y ago
    that doesn’t mean it takes you driving 100m miles to die; that’s a population level statistic. your lifetime chances of death by car is 1 in 100.
    - kenjackson 5y ago
      Right. The 100m miles is more useful because it sets the scale of usage. 1 in 100 odds over your lifetime doesn't say anything about how likely you are to die at any given point in time. It's just that when you do die, there was a 1% chance it was in a car accident.
- jdminhbg 5y ago
  > Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year. The OP comparison of Covid to a football game has the same issue, of course.

by aantix 5y ago

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people This is a ludicrous abuse of statistics. 11 fatalities per 100k people is 11 fatalities per 100k people's worth of trips. That is a few orders of magnitude less than executing 11 people out of every 100k who show up to a stadium.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Driving has benefits. Getting infected with COVID does not.

mixedCase 5y ago
Except COVID is not the end goal here, it is living a full life in proximity to other human beings that comes with a risk of getting COVID. It is no different in purpose than driving for the most part.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  There's a wide spectrum of precautions available. I traveled overseas recently, but I KN95 masked on the plane and tested before departure and on arrival. I felt like I was living a pretty full life in Bora Bora, while also taking steps to ensure the safety of myself and others around me. Same thing with driving; we have a variety of safety precautions - quite a few of them mandatory - involved that help tilt the cost/benefit balance in our favor.
  - adolph 5y ago
    Why travel anywhere if you are living a flu life in Bora Bora?
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Unfortunately, that was my travel destination, so I only got a week there. I heartily recommend a visit.
      - adolph 5y ago
        It’s a pity you and your fellow travelers are destroying the world with your carbon emissions. Good thing you wear a mask tho.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        Good news: you can address that, if you're so inclined. https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/global-citizenship/environment/carbon-offset-program.html https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/global-citizens...
        adolph 5y ago
        With our Eco-Skies® CarbonChoice carbon offset sponsorship program, we’ll purchase carbon offsets on behalf of our customers so all their corporate air travel with us is 100% carbon neutral. So they will buy carbon indulgences for your corporate trip to Bora Bora but not regular travelers?
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        It's presented as an option on checkout for any United flight, or you can do it directly after the fact at https://united.conservation.org/ https://united.conservation.org/. $34 for my round trip.
rajup 5y ago
Getting back to life with COVID with the appropriate amount of precautions and restrictions has benefits. Current hysteria and alarmism shows we are not there yet.
slingnow 5y ago
These statements don't follow from anything anyone has said. You would need to compare the benefits of driving to the benefits of living a normal life, and compare that to the risks of dying from each. Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits? What are you trying to say?
- landemva 5y ago
  'Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits?' Why do you think you get a choice? Without extreme measures of staying locked up, most everyone will encounter the virus. Why not help your body deal with it by going for a walk today to get some exercise? Life is to live, not eat ourselves to overweight deaths.
megablast 5y ago
Yes. Pollution. Destruction of land. Serious injury. Noise. Urban sprawl. So many benefits.
spookthesunset 5y ago
> Getting infected with COVID does not. Going to a live game has benefits. Do those not matter?

jonathanstrange 5y ago

That risk is an order of magnitude lower. Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year.

kenjackson 5y ago
Correct. It is about 1 death per 100 million miles driven per the table given by the other commenter. Those are actually much better odds than I was expecting!
- clairity 5y ago
  that doesn’t mean it takes you driving 100m miles to die; that’s a population level statistic. your lifetime chances of death by car is 1 in 100.
  - kenjackson 5y ago
    Right. The 100m miles is more useful because it sets the scale of usage. 1 in 100 odds over your lifetime doesn't say anything about how likely you are to die at any given point in time. It's just that when you do die, there was a 1% chance it was in a car accident.
jdminhbg 5y ago
> Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year. The OP comparison of Covid to a football game has the same issue, of course.