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Three protestors had guns all of which were in peoples vehicles or 'on capitol grounds'. Were any proven to be brought INTO the capitol? WOW SUCH INSURRECTION

Three protestors had guns all of which were in peoples vehicles or 'on capitol grounds'. Were any proven to be brought INTO the capitol? WOW SUCH INSURRECTION What you're doing is literally the definition of sensationalism. You're overinflating statistically insignificant details to create an inaccurate narrative to promote your political agenda.

throw0101a 5y ago
> So you're saying out of thousands upon thousands of protestors three had guns. You were saying there "were no guns". I am saying there were. One of these is an accurate statement. > WOW SUCH INSURRECTION. Firearms are not necessarily for something to be classified as an insurrection. Firearms aren't even necessary if you want to have a revolution: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution > Were they overthrowing the constituted government or protesting? From the court filing above: > On January 7, 2021, the FBI received information that CLEVELAND GROVER MEREDITH, JR. (hereinafter “MEREDITH”) had recently sent a text message in which he wrote, “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi CUNT’s speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV [purple devil emoji].” Additionally, Agents learned that MEREDITH was likely in the Washington, DC area, and that he allegedly had firearms and ammunition. * https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1353311/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1353311/download To me, personally, threatening to kill someone would fall under a "violent" label, and so would lean more insurrection. There could have been other people at the event that did not have violent intentions and simply wanted to voice their grievances, and that would lean more towards protest.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  You're leaning ALOT on the opinion of ONE guy this CLEVELAND GROVER MEREDITH who to represent the view and motivations of the entire group of protestors. Do you also think all Arabic people are terrorists?
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    I am making no such assumption on the group, as I clearly state: > To me, personally, threatening to kill someone would fall under a "violent" label, and so would lean more insurrection. > There could have been other people at the event that did not have violent intentions and simply wanted to voice their grievances, and that would lean more towards protest.
    - edmcnulty101 5y ago
      > a violent uprising by a group or movement > a single person being violent I mean your definition of insurrection does not jive with what you're saying. I think you're trying to inflate the statistically insignificant words of one individual to sensationalize a narrative.
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ShamelessC 5y ago
> WOW SUCH INSURRECTION Your emphasis here isn't helping at all. You just seem angry and unwilling to participate in civil debate when you do that. For what it's worth, I (and others, I assume) find you less convincing now, regardless of the claims you're making. This is a good example of the type of discourse social media (hacker news) can bring out when we talk about partisan subjects. At no point did you treat the opposition with respect. You just wanted to get more people from your side to up-vote you; changing zero minds in the process.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  The gish gallop of the person I was responding too, of numerous paragraphs and links, took time out of my life to parse... and turned out to be a SINGLE PERSON found with a gun on capitol grounds not even in the capitol. It's as disengenous, demonizing of a group, and sensational as it gets. This poster is also using the same single person as their data point for the motivations of the entire group of protesters. This is a good example of the type of discourse social media allows by making all arguments equal no matter how accurate the argument is.
  - ShamelessC 5y ago
    No one forced you to fact check them and you still seem like you're a bit too frustrated to have a pleasant debate with. It seems if there's one thing we agree on, it's that social media encourages divisiveness. Consider taking some time away from commenting - this is my go-to strategy when I'm hot-headed.
    - edmcnulty101 5y ago
      I'm very pleasant to people who don't discuss things with disengenuous, statistically inaccurate, sensationalist intentions, meant to further an ideological narrative.
      - ShamelessC 5y ago
        Again, no one forced you to talk to that person. If you don't have anything constructive _and_ pleasant to say, then please wait for your mood to simmer before commenting.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Were any proven to be brought INTO the capitol? The fact that capitol police were completely overwhelmed by the insurrectionists, preventing arrests and searches in the Capitol presents rather strong proof issues with “inside the Capitol” (pretty much everything charged as “inside the Capitol” is based primarily on video evidence from the insurrectionists themselves, who were not shy about announcing their purpose.) I would also note that the crowd having overwhelmed the security in the building, the armed insurrectionists outside the building on the Capitol grounds were more usefully positioned to interfere with any relief effort.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  >> capitol police were completely overwhelmed The protestors left the capitol building at some point. Any idea why?
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    Was it the capitol police?
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Any idea why? IIRC, a mix of evident failure of the political objectives and deployment of the DC National Guard.

throw0101a 5y ago

> So you're saying out of thousands upon thousands of protestors three had guns. You were saying there "were no guns". I am saying there were. One of these is an accurate statement. > WOW SUCH INSURRECTION. Firearms are not necessarily for something to be classified as an insurrection. Firearms aren't even necessary if you want to have a revolution: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution > Were they overthrowing the constituted government or protesting? From the court filing above: > On January 7, 2021, the FBI received information that CLEVELAND GROVER MEREDITH, JR. (hereinafter “MEREDITH”) had recently sent a text message in which he wrote, “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi CUNT’s speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV [purple devil emoji].” Additionally, Agents learned that MEREDITH was likely in the Washington, DC area, and that he allegedly had firearms and ammunition. * https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1353311/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1353311/download To me, personally, threatening to kill someone would fall under a "violent" label, and so would lean more insurrection. There could have been other people at the event that did not have violent intentions and simply wanted to voice their grievances, and that would lean more towards protest.

edmcnulty101 5y ago
You're leaning ALOT on the opinion of ONE guy this CLEVELAND GROVER MEREDITH who to represent the view and motivations of the entire group of protestors. Do you also think all Arabic people are terrorists?
- throw0101a 5y ago
  I am making no such assumption on the group, as I clearly state: > To me, personally, threatening to kill someone would fall under a "violent" label, and so would lean more insurrection. > There could have been other people at the event that did not have violent intentions and simply wanted to voice their grievances, and that would lean more towards protest.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    > a violent uprising by a group or movement > a single person being violent I mean your definition of insurrection does not jive with what you're saying. I think you're trying to inflate the statistically insignificant words of one individual to sensationalize a narrative.
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ShamelessC 5y ago

> WOW SUCH INSURRECTION Your emphasis here isn't helping at all. You just seem angry and unwilling to participate in civil debate when you do that. For what it's worth, I (and others, I assume) find you less convincing now, regardless of the claims you're making. This is a good example of the type of discourse social media (hacker news) can bring out when we talk about partisan subjects. At no point did you treat the opposition with respect. You just wanted to get more people from your side to up-vote you; changing zero minds in the process.

edmcnulty101 5y ago
The gish gallop of the person I was responding too, of numerous paragraphs and links, took time out of my life to parse... and turned out to be a SINGLE PERSON found with a gun on capitol grounds not even in the capitol. It's as disengenous, demonizing of a group, and sensational as it gets. This poster is also using the same single person as their data point for the motivations of the entire group of protesters. This is a good example of the type of discourse social media allows by making all arguments equal no matter how accurate the argument is.
- ShamelessC 5y ago
  No one forced you to fact check them and you still seem like you're a bit too frustrated to have a pleasant debate with. It seems if there's one thing we agree on, it's that social media encourages divisiveness. Consider taking some time away from commenting - this is my go-to strategy when I'm hot-headed.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    I'm very pleasant to people who don't discuss things with disengenuous, statistically inaccurate, sensationalist intentions, meant to further an ideological narrative.
    - ShamelessC 5y ago
      Again, no one forced you to talk to that person. If you don't have anything constructive _and_ pleasant to say, then please wait for your mood to simmer before commenting.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Were any proven to be brought INTO the capitol? The fact that capitol police were completely overwhelmed by the insurrectionists, preventing arrests and searches in the Capitol presents rather strong proof issues with “inside the Capitol” (pretty much everything charged as “inside the Capitol” is based primarily on video evidence from the insurrectionists themselves, who were not shy about announcing their purpose.) I would also note that the crowd having overwhelmed the security in the building, the armed insurrectionists outside the building on the Capitol grounds were more usefully positioned to interfere with any relief effort.

edmcnulty101 5y ago
>> capitol police were completely overwhelmed The protestors left the capitol building at some point. Any idea why?
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  Was it the capitol police?
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Any idea why? IIRC, a mix of evident failure of the political objectives and deployment of the DC National Guard.