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Nope, not being paid better here despite the 'need for talent', record profits and inflation. "Lucky" to get a 2.5% raise. YES yes I know the rhetoric, " just f

Nope, not being paid better here despite the 'need for talent', record profits and inflation. "Lucky" to get a 2.5% raise. YES yes I know the rhetoric, " just find a better job". No, not doing better; this year has seen more incidents for my team than ever before. Still operating on a shoestring budget, lacking in tools and coverage, and more and more piled on the plate. Things are not okay.

bshipp 5y ago
> YES yes I know the rhetoric, " just find a better job". That's the rhetoric from young people with no strings attached. People who are older, often with families, always with local connections and long-term relationships, have far more variables when it comes to making that sort of decision. Pay and working environment (unless either are truly terrible) are rarely even at the top when it comes to enumerating the factors that go into deciding to stay or uproot your entire life and start again elsewhere. If you have a spouse with a good job in a niche area, doubly difficult. EDIT: Unless you live in an area where you have many nearby options, of course. But those sorts of areas are sometimes harder to move around because the competition for 'good' employers is much fiercer.
- jakub_g 5y ago
  FWIW, 2021 has been probably the best year ever to change the company in IT: - Remote work is now standard, you don't have to relocate - US companies and well-funded startups opening up outside of US and hiring remote devs (though this is not always officially advertised, but for senior-enough people it's almost always negotiable) - Tons of reports of people getting 30/50/100% raises (by changing jobs, or counter-offers) Source: first-hand on all above (I'm frontend dev though, not in security)
- a-priori 5y ago
  I have a family, local connections, etc. In the past year I've changed jobs twice, for a 45% raise in the last 12 months. But because all three jobs over this period have been remote, I haven't had to disrupt my family at all. Since the last two companies have been headquartered in different cities, this wouldn't have been possible before COVID. The silver lining on this damned pandemic has been a lot more options for people, like software developers, in the privileged position of being in demand with work that can be done remotely.
- greedo 5y ago
  And factor in ageism. I'm about a decade away from retirement, but I definitely don't want to be job hopping. The idea of interviewing at my age is horrifying.

bshipp 5y ago

> YES yes I know the rhetoric, " just find a better job". That's the rhetoric from young people with no strings attached. People who are older, often with families, always with local connections and long-term relationships, have far more variables when it comes to making that sort of decision. Pay and working environment (unless either are truly terrible) are rarely even at the top when it comes to enumerating the factors that go into deciding to stay or uproot your entire life and start again elsewhere. If you have a spouse with a good job in a niche area, doubly difficult. EDIT: Unless you live in an area where you have many nearby options, of course. But those sorts of areas are sometimes harder to move around because the competition for 'good' employers is much fiercer.

jakub_g 5y ago
FWIW, 2021 has been probably the best year ever to change the company in IT: - Remote work is now standard, you don't have to relocate - US companies and well-funded startups opening up outside of US and hiring remote devs (though this is not always officially advertised, but for senior-enough people it's almost always negotiable) - Tons of reports of people getting 30/50/100% raises (by changing jobs, or counter-offers) Source: first-hand on all above (I'm frontend dev though, not in security)
a-priori 5y ago
I have a family, local connections, etc. In the past year I've changed jobs twice, for a 45% raise in the last 12 months. But because all three jobs over this period have been remote, I haven't had to disrupt my family at all. Since the last two companies have been headquartered in different cities, this wouldn't have been possible before COVID. The silver lining on this damned pandemic has been a lot more options for people, like software developers, in the privileged position of being in demand with work that can be done remotely.
greedo 5y ago
And factor in ageism. I'm about a decade away from retirement, but I definitely don't want to be job hopping. The idea of interviewing at my age is horrifying.