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>However, the US has killed many times more people in other countries, and brutalized countless nations You are very clearly uninformed about history. Especial

>However, the US has killed many times more people in other countries, and brutalized countless nations You are very clearly uninformed about history. Especially if that's your list of brutalized countries with zero insight into the many factors stimulating US intervention in most of them and the aftermath resulting from failed or cessation of intervention, especially in those supported by the CCP. Vietnam, Cambodia, and Southeast Asia Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_People%27s_Army_of_Vietnam_use_of_terror_in_the_Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_People%27s_Army_... https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP6.HTM https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP6.HTM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochina_refugee_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochina_refugee_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide https://alphahistory.com/vietnamwar/post-war-vietnam/#Purges_and_re-education https://alphahistory.com/vietnamwar/post-war-vietnam/#Purges... El Salvador and Cuba I will grant that the clandestine support of a coup and refusal to condemn an oppressive, violent junta that came to power was inexcusable on the part of the US, but its involvement still has nothing compared to the CCP and USSR involvement in mass genocides and democides across the globe. The guerillas weren't benevolent liberators either. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-03-18-mn-12349-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-03-18-mn-12349-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/26/cuba-fidel-castros-record-repression https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/26/cuba-fidel-castros-recor... https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121496498705421951 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121496498705421951 Nicaragua Another good example of the faults and failures of the US historically, but incomparable to the CCP, and aligned with global economics at the time. A victim of the intense geopolitical tensions and climate in the late 19th and early 20th century thanks in large part to the fallout from the Spanish-American War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq. The collapse of the Ottomon Empire was the motivating factor in harsh and enduring political tensions in Central Asia. Not US intervention. US involvement in Afghanistan all started with solicited intervention by the populace for help against imperial actions by the USSR. Continued intervention was not purely political or economic in nature, and certainly not genocidal or democidal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1992%E2%80%931996) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1992%E2%80%9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1996%E2%80%932001) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1996%E2%80%9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes#Afghanistan_(1979%E2%80%931989) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes#Afghanistan_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan#Establishment_and_governance_(1996%E2%80%932001) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hazara_people#Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hazara_people#A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalq Iran Another failure, yet still incomparable to the history of the CCP. The rise of an Islamic theocracy in the geopolitical landscape of Iran should not be surprising, regardless of US intervention. It coincides with other theocratic revolutions in the region that were not the consequence of intervention by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Zia-ul-Haq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Zia-ul-Haq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_republic Hopefully with this history lesson you develop an understanding that even with the many wrongs the US has committed over time, none come close to the CCP in its relatively short existence. The US has killed orders of magnitude less people domestically and internationally, justified and unjustified, across its entire history than the CCP has unjustifiably across the globe in the last 75 years.

tsimionescu 5y ago
All of these cases are complicated. Taking just Cambodia - the Khmer Rouge regime was of course supported by China with massive resources. However, the US has also killed tens of thousands of Cmabodians directly in bombing campaigns during the Vietnam War, between 30,000 and 150,000 (likely committing the war crime of Aggression, as they were not in a state of war with Cambodia); this helped galvanize the population towards joining the enemies of the US, helping the Khmer Rouge attain power. Later on, in 1979 when the re-united Vietnam attacked the Khmer Rouge, both the US and China condemned the actions of the Vietnam liberators, and helped defend the Khmer Rouge from international opinion (since Vietnam was being supported in this by the USSR). The US sent lawyers to defend Pol Pot himself from the tribunals in the newly liberated Cambodia, and both China and the US helped keep Khmer Rouge affiliates on the UN seat for Cambodia until 1993. Of course, China went further and launched a retaliatory war against Vietnam for their liberation of Cambodia. You also seem to be greatly minimizing the US involvement in many of these places. The US occupied Nicaragua for 20 years, installed a military dictatorship that ruled it for 50 years, and then trained, armed and directed guerillas that killed and tortured hundreds of thousands of civilians to try to stop the revolution that took down the Somoza dictatorship. Much of the rest of South America saw similar treatment from the US: coups taking down socialist popular movements and installing military dictatorships instead, then supporting violent militias if counter-revolutions started. In the middle east, while many of the problems started with the British handling of the collapse of the Ottoman empire, and the USSR also led brutal wars of oppression, the US has picked up the torch in the last 30 or so years as the major source of strife in the region. They are responsible for: - arming and training the Taliban - installing Saddam Hussein in power, arming him, and directing him to attack Iran, even accepting his use of chemical warfare - squashing Iran's brief democracy under Mossadegh, installing a military dictatorship under the Shah, starting the Iran Nuclear Weapons program, arming them (and then losing control to the islamic revolution) - funding and arming Saudi Arabia and allowing it to spread its demented form of islamic fundamentalism, supporting even as we speak their invasion of Yemen - supporting the Israeli apartheid state, illegal nuclear weapons arsenal, and illegal occupation of Palestinian territories - invading Afghanistan in 2001 and killing thousands in the process, causing the deaths of as many as 100,000 civilians overall in the conflict
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tsimionescu 5y ago

All of these cases are complicated. Taking just Cambodia - the Khmer Rouge regime was of course supported by China with massive resources. However, the US has also killed tens of thousands of Cmabodians directly in bombing campaigns during the Vietnam War, between 30,000 and 150,000 (likely committing the war crime of Aggression, as they were not in a state of war with Cambodia); this helped galvanize the population towards joining the enemies of the US, helping the Khmer Rouge attain power. Later on, in 1979 when the re-united Vietnam attacked the Khmer Rouge, both the US and China condemned the actions of the Vietnam liberators, and helped defend the Khmer Rouge from international opinion (since Vietnam was being supported in this by the USSR). The US sent lawyers to defend Pol Pot himself from the tribunals in the newly liberated Cambodia, and both China and the US helped keep Khmer Rouge affiliates on the UN seat for Cambodia until 1993. Of course, China went further and launched a retaliatory war against Vietnam for their liberation of Cambodia. You also seem to be greatly minimizing the US involvement in many of these places. The US occupied Nicaragua for 20 years, installed a military dictatorship that ruled it for 50 years, and then trained, armed and directed guerillas that killed and tortured hundreds of thousands of civilians to try to stop the revolution that took down the Somoza dictatorship. Much of the rest of South America saw similar treatment from the US: coups taking down socialist popular movements and installing military dictatorships instead, then supporting violent militias if counter-revolutions started. In the middle east, while many of the problems started with the British handling of the collapse of the Ottoman empire, and the USSR also led brutal wars of oppression, the US has picked up the torch in the last 30 or so years as the major source of strife in the region. They are responsible for: - arming and training the Taliban - installing Saddam Hussein in power, arming him, and directing him to attack Iran, even accepting his use of chemical warfare - squashing Iran's brief democracy under Mossadegh, installing a military dictatorship under the Shah, starting the Iran Nuclear Weapons program, arming them (and then losing control to the islamic revolution) - funding and arming Saudi Arabia and allowing it to spread its demented form of islamic fundamentalism, supporting even as we speak their invasion of Yemen - supporting the Israeli apartheid state, illegal nuclear weapons arsenal, and illegal occupation of Palestinian territories - invading Afghanistan in 2001 and killing thousands in the process, causing the deaths of as many as 100,000 civilians overall in the conflict

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