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That seems like an easily solveable problem? I don’t think thousands of times harder rings true, conditioned on having accessible shipments of new goods. On a

That seems like an easily solveable problem? I don’t think thousands of times harder rings true, conditioned on having accessible shipments of new goods. On a slow but regular scale. A colony wouldn’t even need to be self sufficient. Just protected from the elements. I have no doubt it’s very difficult, but thousands of times harder? Seems extreme to me.

ncmncm 5y ago
You would, therefore, not be useful on the project. Anybody useful would be able to list dozens of debilitating problems to prevent before even starting research.
- oneoff786 5y ago
  I can name a great number of problems obviously, but at the end of the day, most of these challenges are bypassed with frequent supply drops that include massive steel edifices. Oxygen? Send a fuck ton of the candles they burn on nuclear subs Food? Send a fuck ton of food Water? Probably better ways to do this but, fuck it, send a fuck ton of water. Power? Send them a bunch of solar panels and batteries. 100x daily needs. Shelter from radiation temperature and weather? Go sit in the starships. Stack them together. They’re not going anywhere. Send 50x the space suits. 50x the rovers. 50x the fruit loops. The hard part of colonizing a planet is the self sufficiency. If you can just keep the supplies coming then it’s not all that different from the ISS. You can try and build your moxie units if you want, or your Martian farms, or whatever, but there’s not much in the way of mission critical goals. Mars’ dust storms aren’t nudging the starship heavy.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    You have only thought of the most obvious problems, and your solution to each is the least manageable that could be imagined. They tried to use the Sabatier process on the ISS, and it failed for unpredicted reasons. So, again, you and everybody who thinks like you would be bad choices to have involved.
    - oneoff786 5y ago
      > You have only thought of the most obvious problems, Enlighten me on what the critical issues beyond food, water, power, shelter, and oxygen are then. And make sure it’s not solveable with a single shipment of 100 Tons of the most obvious physical pre made solution on earth. > and your solution to each is the least manageable that could be imagined That’s ok if the cost to implement them is magnitudes lower than previous space efforts, e.g. the space shuttle and the ISS. I’m aware I’m lowballing the effort here. I’m sure smarter engineers can come up with smarter systems. But if we can afford to just send the stuff we need in bulk, that does work and requires little innovation. A cost effective, low risk method is fine. I don’t know why you mentioned the sabatier process. I said the solution was ship them a fuck ton of water. Here. 100 Tons of water. Stupidly high amount. Dumbass hyperbolic example. But that’s one starship heavy in caravan of hundreds of shipments back of the enevelope says that’s drinking water for 900 humans’ entire lifetimes. *not doing the math to check the volume capacity of starship heavy, just the mass. I don’t care if I’m off by multiple orders of magnitude. This is the lowest dumbest solution and the expectation should be that a much better job is done.

ncmncm 5y ago

You would, therefore, not be useful on the project. Anybody useful would be able to list dozens of debilitating problems to prevent before even starting research.

oneoff786 5y ago
I can name a great number of problems obviously, but at the end of the day, most of these challenges are bypassed with frequent supply drops that include massive steel edifices. Oxygen? Send a fuck ton of the candles they burn on nuclear subs Food? Send a fuck ton of food Water? Probably better ways to do this but, fuck it, send a fuck ton of water. Power? Send them a bunch of solar panels and batteries. 100x daily needs. Shelter from radiation temperature and weather? Go sit in the starships. Stack them together. They’re not going anywhere. Send 50x the space suits. 50x the rovers. 50x the fruit loops. The hard part of colonizing a planet is the self sufficiency. If you can just keep the supplies coming then it’s not all that different from the ISS. You can try and build your moxie units if you want, or your Martian farms, or whatever, but there’s not much in the way of mission critical goals. Mars’ dust storms aren’t nudging the starship heavy.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  You have only thought of the most obvious problems, and your solution to each is the least manageable that could be imagined. They tried to use the Sabatier process on the ISS, and it failed for unpredicted reasons. So, again, you and everybody who thinks like you would be bad choices to have involved.
  - oneoff786 5y ago
    > You have only thought of the most obvious problems, Enlighten me on what the critical issues beyond food, water, power, shelter, and oxygen are then. And make sure it’s not solveable with a single shipment of 100 Tons of the most obvious physical pre made solution on earth. > and your solution to each is the least manageable that could be imagined That’s ok if the cost to implement them is magnitudes lower than previous space efforts, e.g. the space shuttle and the ISS. I’m aware I’m lowballing the effort here. I’m sure smarter engineers can come up with smarter systems. But if we can afford to just send the stuff we need in bulk, that does work and requires little innovation. A cost effective, low risk method is fine. I don’t know why you mentioned the sabatier process. I said the solution was ship them a fuck ton of water. Here. 100 Tons of water. Stupidly high amount. Dumbass hyperbolic example. But that’s one starship heavy in caravan of hundreds of shipments back of the enevelope says that’s drinking water for 900 humans’ entire lifetimes. *not doing the math to check the volume capacity of starship heavy, just the mass. I don’t care if I’m off by multiple orders of magnitude. This is the lowest dumbest solution and the expectation should be that a much better job is done.