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The pandemic ended for most people months ago, for me personally it ended the moment I was vaccinated.

by syshum 5y ago

notpachet 5y ago
> The pandemic ended for most people months ago Most people in the US you mean? Look around at the rest of the world. Only around 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a vaccine, and that's skewed dramatically towards developed countries. Meanwhile the virus, which knows no borders, is continuing to mutate out there.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Well, for 1 in 400 US citizens, the pandemic has unfortunately already ended (/bitter sarcasm)
a5aAqU 5y ago
It only ended for people who don't care. If you aren't wearing a mask, there is still a chance that you're spreading it around to vulnerable people. The vaccines reduce the chance that you get infected, but you can still get infected and spread it. The vaccines reduce the chance of hospitalization and death for most people, but not for everyone.
- temp8964 5y ago
  Lol. The vulnerable people who doesn't want to get infected can also 1) get vaccinated and 2) wear the best masks and 3) stop going to crowded place (like shopping on line and eating at home). Stop using this nonsense to force other people to wear masks.
  - a5aAqU 5y ago
    It's more complicated than that. The vaccines don't work for everyone. There are certain medications and health conditions that interfere with the vaccines. Even if they stay home, vulnerable people are at risk from coming into contact with people who come into contact with the people who don't wear masks. If you don't wear a mask, and you give the virus to someone with your asymptomatic case, and they go home and give it to their immunocompromised family member, you might end up indirectly killing someone.
    - syshum 5y ago
      That Scenario has always been the case for all of the history of man kind So what is your position, everyone should always wear masks at all time for the rest of time? Nope, not going to do that
      - a5aAqU 5y ago
        We obviously won't be wearing masks until the end of time, but only until the virus is under control. Just in the USA, 1,000 people are dying from COVID per day, and omicron is coming. The pandemic doesn't only exist in how it affects you personally. There are many responsible vaccinated people who are going to die because of people who aren't wearing masks. Masks and vaccines like this have not existed until relatively recently. We now have tools so that not as many people have to suffer and die from pandemics.
        syshum 5y ago
        Now we are going to get in to more controversial regions of this debate. We have to look at those 1,000 per day, and ask are they dying WITH covid or FROM covid, currently there is a monetary incentive for health providers to label as many deaths as possible as "COVID RELATED" which then enables them to collect some or all of their costs from the government >>We obviously won't be wearing masks until the end of time, but only until the virus is under control. here is the rub, I do not believe it will ever be under control, what number is your target for under control? clearly 1,000 is to high for you (even though i suspect the real number is lower), would 300 be acceptable? Because that is "bad" seasonal flu level (for which we have had in the past with out this type of response) but I some how doubt you would say 300 deaths per day is "under control"
        a5aAqU 5y ago
        > are they dying WITH covid or FROM covid Sorry, that's ridiculous. If a person would not be dead if they hadn't contracted COVID, even if they had other health conditions, then masks and vaccines are a factor in preventing those deaths, and COVID is the cause. If you throw a rock off of an overpass and it hits a car, and that car swerves uncontrollably and kills a pedestrian, then your throwing the rock was the fundamental cause of the death, not the driver of the car or the car itself. If anything, the COVID deaths are underreported.[1] The virus will eventually be under control, just like most other viruses in the past. We will have better treatments within a year or two. Paxlovid is one example, but there will be more. There might be only a handful of deaths once that happens. For the sake of the vulnerable people out there, we all have to practice basic virus safety until then. [1] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/05/covid-19-may-have-killed-20-more-reported-us https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/05/covid-19...
  - JohnTHaller 5y ago
    The one and two-dose vaccines produced no measurable level of antibodies in nearly all of the hundreds of thousands of organ recipients in the US. A third dose produced some measurable response in about 40% of people as per a Johns Hopkins study. My Dad luckily had some response from a third shot. I got the Pfizer two shot and a booster and I wear a mask daily when indoors to prevent the spread and creation of new variants to protect others.

The pandemic ended for most people months ago, for me personally it ended the moment I was vaccinated.

by syshum 5y ago

The pandemic ended for most people months ago, for me personally it ended the moment I was vaccinated.

> The pandemic ended for most people months ago Most people in the US you mean? Look around at the rest of the world. Only around 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a vaccine, and that's skewed dramatically towards developed countries. Meanwhile the virus, which knows no borders, is continuing to mutate out there.

_ph_ 5y ago
Well, for 1 in 400 US citizens, the pandemic has unfortunately already ended (/bitter sarcasm)

a5aAqU 5y ago

It only ended for people who don't care. If you aren't wearing a mask, there is still a chance that you're spreading it around to vulnerable people. The vaccines reduce the chance that you get infected, but you can still get infected and spread it. The vaccines reduce the chance of hospitalization and death for most people, but not for everyone.

temp8964 5y ago
Lol. The vulnerable people who doesn't want to get infected can also 1) get vaccinated and 2) wear the best masks and 3) stop going to crowded place (like shopping on line and eating at home). Stop using this nonsense to force other people to wear masks.
- a5aAqU 5y ago
  It's more complicated than that. The vaccines don't work for everyone. There are certain medications and health conditions that interfere with the vaccines. Even if they stay home, vulnerable people are at risk from coming into contact with people who come into contact with the people who don't wear masks. If you don't wear a mask, and you give the virus to someone with your asymptomatic case, and they go home and give it to their immunocompromised family member, you might end up indirectly killing someone.
  - syshum 5y ago
    That Scenario has always been the case for all of the history of man kind So what is your position, everyone should always wear masks at all time for the rest of time? Nope, not going to do that
    - a5aAqU 5y ago
      We obviously won't be wearing masks until the end of time, but only until the virus is under control. Just in the USA, 1,000 people are dying from COVID per day, and omicron is coming. The pandemic doesn't only exist in how it affects you personally. There are many responsible vaccinated people who are going to die because of people who aren't wearing masks. Masks and vaccines like this have not existed until relatively recently. We now have tools so that not as many people have to suffer and die from pandemics.
      - syshum 5y ago
        Now we are going to get in to more controversial regions of this debate. We have to look at those 1,000 per day, and ask are they dying WITH covid or FROM covid, currently there is a monetary incentive for health providers to label as many deaths as possible as "COVID RELATED" which then enables them to collect some or all of their costs from the government >>We obviously won't be wearing masks until the end of time, but only until the virus is under control. here is the rub, I do not believe it will ever be under control, what number is your target for under control? clearly 1,000 is to high for you (even though i suspect the real number is lower), would 300 be acceptable? Because that is "bad" seasonal flu level (for which we have had in the past with out this type of response) but I some how doubt you would say 300 deaths per day is "under control"
        a5aAqU 5y ago
        > are they dying WITH covid or FROM covid Sorry, that's ridiculous. If a person would not be dead if they hadn't contracted COVID, even if they had other health conditions, then masks and vaccines are a factor in preventing those deaths, and COVID is the cause. If you throw a rock off of an overpass and it hits a car, and that car swerves uncontrollably and kills a pedestrian, then your throwing the rock was the fundamental cause of the death, not the driver of the car or the car itself. If anything, the COVID deaths are underreported.[1] The virus will eventually be under control, just like most other viruses in the past. We will have better treatments within a year or two. Paxlovid is one example, but there will be more. There might be only a handful of deaths once that happens. For the sake of the vulnerable people out there, we all have to practice basic virus safety until then. [1] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/05/covid-19-may-have-killed-20-more-reported-us https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/05/covid-19...
- JohnTHaller 5y ago
  The one and two-dose vaccines produced no measurable level of antibodies in nearly all of the hundreds of thousands of organ recipients in the US. A third dose produced some measurable response in about 40% of people as per a Johns Hopkins study. My Dad luckily had some response from a third shot. I got the Pfizer two shot and a booster and I wear a mask daily when indoors to prevent the spread and creation of new variants to protect others.