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> If your are unhappy that the resources are being mined relentlessly and you are getting nothing in return, then ask yourself where that money is going. If you

by zohch 5y ago

> If your are unhappy that the resources are being mined relentlessly and you are getting nothing in return, then ask yourself where that money is going. If you think the land is being destroyed, ask yourself why you voted in leaders who took the money in exchange for destroying the land. I would bet money that the majority of the revenue of mineral sales actually goes to South Africans and not foreigners, and I would even bet money it is more than 75% of the revenue.

lelanthran 5y ago
> I would bet money that the majority of the revenue of mineral sales actually goes to South Africans and not foreigners, and I would even bet money it is more than 75% of the revenue, based on how shitty South African mining shares are. Maybe; I don't really know the details behind the sale of mineral rights but I DO know that they are never given away for free and that usually they are sold to the highest bidder. Maybe in the case mentioned by GP (Shell) the mineral rights were sold below what the market would have borne. My heart breaks for the South African masses; and then I talk to them, and every impoverished person I speak to is certain that they would be worse off if they voted differently. Vote another party in power? Never - the party that has failed to govern South Africa effectively since 1994 is still in power! South Africa's poverty is, at this point, self-inflicted. I have more than a few ideas on how this can be solved, but none of the solutions involve a) Race or b) kickbacks, so you can forget about SA digging itself out of this hole.
- zohch 5y ago
  > My heart breaks for the South African masses; My heart used to break for them, but really, why shed a tear, this is what the South African masses vote for, and this is what they get good and hard, and god forbid anyone stands in their way of them getting it as good and hard as they possibly can get it before civil war finally burns the country to a cinder, at the very least they can find comfort in knowing south africans would have burned most of the county down before a civil war erupts: - Why are South Africans burning schools in Limpopo? (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-36225502 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-36225502) - Why Cape Town's trains are on fire in South Africa (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45990981 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45990981) - South African university set ablaze in student protest (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/south-african-north-west-university-set-ablaze-in-student-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/south-african-...) Burning their country down seem to be their national passtime, or at least while they are not lynching foreigners. But I'm sure one of them will come along to blame the west for this also.

by zohch 5y ago

lelanthran 5y ago

> I would bet money that the majority of the revenue of mineral sales actually goes to South Africans and not foreigners, and I would even bet money it is more than 75% of the revenue, based on how shitty South African mining shares are. Maybe; I don't really know the details behind the sale of mineral rights but I DO know that they are never given away for free and that usually they are sold to the highest bidder. Maybe in the case mentioned by GP (Shell) the mineral rights were sold below what the market would have borne. My heart breaks for the South African masses; and then I talk to them, and every impoverished person I speak to is certain that they would be worse off if they voted differently. Vote another party in power? Never - the party that has failed to govern South Africa effectively since 1994 is still in power! South Africa's poverty is, at this point, self-inflicted. I have more than a few ideas on how this can be solved, but none of the solutions involve a) Race or b) kickbacks, so you can forget about SA digging itself out of this hole.

zohch 5y ago
> My heart breaks for the South African masses; My heart used to break for them, but really, why shed a tear, this is what the South African masses vote for, and this is what they get good and hard, and god forbid anyone stands in their way of them getting it as good and hard as they possibly can get it before civil war finally burns the country to a cinder, at the very least they can find comfort in knowing south africans would have burned most of the county down before a civil war erupts: - Why are South Africans burning schools in Limpopo? (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-36225502 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-36225502) - Why Cape Town's trains are on fire in South Africa (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45990981 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45990981) - South African university set ablaze in student protest (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/south-african-north-west-university-set-ablaze-in-student-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/south-african-...) Burning their country down seem to be their national passtime, or at least while they are not lynching foreigners. But I'm sure one of them will come along to blame the west for this also.